Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi,
Looking for the family of john finnegan and mary finnegan, poss salisbury street everton liverpool, children, john, timothy, bernard, mary, margaret, albert, and when born. john and mary married 25: 5: 1890.
many thanks john.

I cannot find a John with wife mary with these children however there is on salisbury st a john finnigan wife ann with children bernard, john, mary, margaret and mother in law margaret mulaney

1901 England Census

Civil parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Timothy
County/Island: Lancashire
Household Members: Name Age
John Finnigan 41
Ann Finnigan 34
Bernard Finnigan 10
John Finnigan 5
Mary Finnigan 7
Margaret Finnigan 2
Margaret Mullaney 54
Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3481; Folio: 6; Page: 4.

could not find your marriage for john and mary
where did they marry

Hi N.M
That's the only one I could find, the address being the key also Bernard.
Margt Mullaney is the ma in law.
If Mary's maiden name is known from the marriage it would help a lot.

Tina

Added
marriage rego was for the June qtr 1890 John to Ann Mullaney.
The marriage to Mary was listed in May by John

Was she Mary Ann??

Hi John
There is a Bernard listed in 1911 pay per view census spelt FENNEGEN West Derby rego area aged 20yrs.
Using the surname(without paying) there are John 48, Ann 44, Mary 18, John 15, Margaret Ann 12, Edward 11, Albert 7.
All names you have mentioned.

Tina

FreeBMD has a marriage registered in Q2 1890 8b 290 which fits the date provided of

John FINEGAN to Ann MULLANEY

I think John needs to check his certificate.

Oops sorry Tina duplicating what you already posted.

Hi,
I checked marriage certificate and mary should read ANN How 20 years can change a life in 1881 ann 14 and mother margaret mullaney mariners widow where in the liverpool workhouse. I am still a timothy short who was the eldest who went on to marry elizabeth. Many thanks Mary, Tina and Northmeols.
regards john

1891 England Census
Street Address: 33 back queen ann st
Sub-registration district: Islington
Household Members: Name Age
John Finnegan 28 head born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England dock labourer
Ann Finnegan 24 wife
Bernard Finnegan 1/12 son
Thomas Finnegan 50 father plasterer
Bernard Finnegan 17 brother dock boy
Thos Finnegan 19 brother
Mary Jane Hewitt 20 boarder
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2921; Folio 101; Page 25; GSU roll: 6098031.

1881 England Census
Name: Thos. Finnigan
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Where born: Dundalk, Ireland
Street Address: 29 Back Queen Ann Street
Occupation: Labourer
Sub-registration district: Islington
Household Members: Name Age
Thos. Finnigan 44
Mary Finnigan 43 b. mayo cnty
John Finnigan 19
Edwd. Finnigan 16
Thos. Finnigan 12
Wm. Finnigan 9
Bernard Finnigan 8
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3633; Folio: 27; Page: 50;GSU roll: 1341870.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
Name: Thomas Finnigan
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 431

FINNIGAN Thomas MURRAY Mary Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/76/33

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™
Thomas Finegan Pedigree

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 10 JAN 1841 Castletown Parish, Dundalk, Louth, Ireland

Parents:
Father: John Finegan
Mother: Bridget or Ann Gogerty

Messages:
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.

Dundalk (St Nicholas')
Louth
Armagh
MIC1/204

proni.gov.uk/index_to_church_of_ireland_records

Fantastic findings N.M

In the 1891 census Bernard is 6mnths old which would tie in with 1890 marriage so I can't see how Timothy could be the eldest??

John, do you have a date for his marriage to Elizabeth please?
Then we may be able to work out a birth year approx for him.
As John has a few brothers with him, could Timothy be an older brother not a son??

Tina

1871 England Census
Name: Thomas Finnigan
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Maryann
Where born: Ireland
Sub-registration district: Islington
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Finnigan 30
Maryann Finnigan 29
James Finnigan 7
John Finnigan 4
Mary Jane Finnigan 2
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3789; Folio: 150; Page: 40; GSU roll: 841897.

Births Jun 1891
Finnegan Bernard Liverpool 8b 110

Births Sep 1893
Finnegan Mary Liverpool 8b 111

Births Sep 1896
Finnegan John Liverpool 8b 123

Births Jun 1899
Finnegan Margaret Ann W. Derby 8b 251

Births Dec 1903
FINNEGAN Albert W. Derby 8b 522

Hard work again from you N.M
1881 census Brownlow Hill workhouse as MULHALLY

Tina

john finnegan wrote:Hi,
I am still a timothy short who was the eldest who went on to marry elizabeth.

I think it would be helpful if you were to give Timothy's birth date, especially if you have details from his birth certificate in case he was born before the marriage of his parents in view of the short timespan available after the wedding.

Any details from his marriage certificate would also be useful - date and church, father's names and occupations and witnesses. If you don't have the certificate then the date and church from www.lancashirebmd.org.uk would be helpful.

Hi,
So much more information wonderful, I have thomas and mary marriage cert st vin de pauls st james st lpool. I do not know if the finnigans at 25 back queen ann street are related as most of the names are the same. I only have earsay on bernard and elizabeth tina. Could edward have been missed on the 1871 census? I went to st mary's in dundalk a few years ago but had no joy wrong church. The tree will have to be redrawn, thanks the help from you all especially northmeols.
thank you john

quote...I am still a timothy short who was the eldest who went on to marry elizabeth quote..

I'm confused??

You just wrote it was hearsay that Bernard married Elizabeth??

Thank you if you could clarify me dear.

Tina

Added please list all details from the marriage of Thomas to Mary.

Hi, Sorry tina for the confusion, it is timothy and not bernard, I should go on my pc before midnight