Good afternoon,
I have spent the last year or so investigating what has proved to be a very interesting and far flung family tree. I am now fairly certain it is about to be flung even further but don't know which way to go.
I have discovered that my four greats grandfather was called Francis Boston and in 1847 he married Mary Stubbs at St Nicholas Church in Liverpool. He is listed as being a boarding house keeper and widower of 7 Bartons Lane. His father is listed as Cato Boston, livery stables keeper. She is listed as living in Old Hall Street as a spinster but I know she comes from Northwich.
In 1848 they had a daughter Lourina. In the 1851 census Lourina is living with her mother's family in Runcorn and I am confident I have everything I need to from there on in.
What I can't find is anything else relating to Francis or Mary and there is no other references to Cato Boston.
I may have found Francis death in September 1848 but there are a few Francis Boston's around there at the time whose father is not Cato.
My thoughts are that Francis, possibly, and Cato certainly are linked to the slave trade. I am not even certain that Cato was in this country and wouldn't be surprised if Francis was born in the US. There are certainly plenty of Cato Bostons who are slaves in Massachusetts in the 1700s and 1800s.
Any help would be massively appreciated.
Regards
Andrew K
Desperately seeking Bostons
Hi and welcome to the forum.
Although I have no results I didn't want you to think your message has been ignored.
I've been checking for Wills and burials, so far without success, although we do have a number of online sites listed for burials that you might wish to work through http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=5739
Also I've been checking the Street and Trade directories that might be available online, again links to these on our Websites Board. So far I've only really discovered that Bartons Lane is off 38 Oldhall Street and was 86 yards long (1827 Gore's Liverpool Directory, Street Information.
I'm surprised that a boarding house keeper and livery stables keeper aren't listed in the trade directories. There are some of our members who have their own copies of additional directories, if you want to ask for a look up for the names in them, perhaps send a pm so they will be aware of your request. http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=6906
There is a great shortage of the name Boston isn't there.
Although I have no results I didn't want you to think your message has been ignored.
I've been checking for Wills and burials, so far without success, although we do have a number of online sites listed for burials that you might wish to work through http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=5739
Also I've been checking the Street and Trade directories that might be available online, again links to these on our Websites Board. So far I've only really discovered that Bartons Lane is off 38 Oldhall Street and was 86 yards long (1827 Gore's Liverpool Directory, Street Information.
I'm surprised that a boarding house keeper and livery stables keeper aren't listed in the trade directories. There are some of our members who have their own copies of additional directories, if you want to ask for a look up for the names in them, perhaps send a pm so they will be aware of your request. http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=6906
There is a great shortage of the name Boston isn't there.
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Lack of Bostons
As I said I am not certain that Francis Boston was even born in Liverpool and I don't know that Cato Boston ever came to England. There were rumours in our family about someone being married by, or to, a ships captain but it is just heresay.
All I know is that Francis and Mary produced Lourina, my great great grandmother, in 1848 and by 1851 neither of them are anywhere to be found, dead or alive.
Neither of them were literate, their wedding certificate is signed with crosses, and there are no ages on the certificate, it looks to me like it just says 'adult'
I have no doubt that Francis was black, Lourina certainly was and I doubt that Mary Stubbs from Northwich would be black or coloured.
It is a real conundrum but I set off to confirm that my family had black heritage and I feel I am so close that I don't want to fail at what looks like the very last hurdle.
Ironically I worked at Old Hall Street on the Liverpool Echo for years.
All I know is that Francis and Mary produced Lourina, my great great grandmother, in 1848 and by 1851 neither of them are anywhere to be found, dead or alive.
Neither of them were literate, their wedding certificate is signed with crosses, and there are no ages on the certificate, it looks to me like it just says 'adult'
I have no doubt that Francis was black, Lourina certainly was and I doubt that Mary Stubbs from Northwich would be black or coloured.
It is a real conundrum but I set off to confirm that my family had black heritage and I feel I am so close that I don't want to fail at what looks like the very last hurdle.
Ironically I worked at Old Hall Street on the Liverpool Echo for years.
You possibly have some physical appearance which would give a hint as to this heritage, in fact if you are so certain about Lourina maybe you even have a photograph, so there would seem to be every reason to continue this search.
I'm sure you've already checked the available Slave Registers as I just did without success for a Cato, but you know what springs to mind - does the name Cato sound a little Irish?
In the back of my mind was something I heard about a while ago about Black Irish, the possib origin being Spain although I don't think this has been confirmed.
Something to think about maybe
I'm sure you've already checked the available Slave Registers as I just did without success for a Cato, but you know what springs to mind - does the name Cato sound a little Irish?
In the back of my mind was something I heard about a while ago about Black Irish, the possib origin being Spain although I don't think this has been confirmed.
Something to think about maybe
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Hi Andrew 
who witnessed the marriage of Francis to Mary in 1847
I notice there are a couple of other Boston marriages at St Nicks around that time..
John Boston to Mary Thompson 30 May 1842...
John Boston to Margaret Price 22 Jan 1844
Maria Boston to Edward Meredith 2 Sep 1850
wonder if one could be a sibling
may be worth looking at the registers for those to see iff any have same father
also spotted John Boston b America 1831 a Prisoner in Liverpool in 1851
(just to put on the back burner for a while 
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who witnessed the marriage of Francis to Mary in 1847
I notice there are a couple of other Boston marriages at St Nicks around that time..
John Boston to Mary Thompson 30 May 1842...
John Boston to Margaret Price 22 Jan 1844
Maria Boston to Edward Meredith 2 Sep 1850
wonder if one could be a sibling
may be worth looking at the registers for those to see iff any have same father also spotted John Boston b America 1831 a Prisoner in Liverpool in 1851
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Just to add Lourena as Lawrence in 1851, still with grandies as Laurena in 1861 their surname STUBS...
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Just to add Lourena as Lawrence in 1851, still with grandies as Laurena in 1861 their surname STUBS...
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Thanks so far
Hi There,
Thanks for all the interest and help.
I haven't looked at the slave register because I am not sure how to do it and the name Cato was newly discovered. I had thought Francis's father was Daniel Boston as I found a Francis christened at St Nicholas around the right time.
But then another newly found relative sent me their wedding certificate. The service was a St Nicholas on May 18 1847 between Francis Boston, age ? (looks like adult), Boarding House Keeper, Barton Lane, father Cato Boston, Livery Stable Keeper and Mary Stubbs, age ??, no rank or profession, Old Hall Street, father Peter Stubbs, shipwright.
They were married by licence by JB Phillips, a curate.
Both made their mark in the presence of William and Margaret Culcheth.
On Lourina's birth certificate Francis Boston is again listed as a Boarding House Keeper of 7 Barton Lane, Lourina having been born at that address on March 22 1948.
I have all of Lourina's history after that which wasn't easy to find as her name was, as you quite rightly say, mistranslated.
I have no photographs just what has been passed through the family by word of mouth.
My grandma, Lourina's grand-daughter, who lived to be 99 and died in 1997, was to all intents and purposes a black lady. It wasn't just her colouring, she had very negroid features and her mother was a very small, very white woman. There are no photographs of her father. Both my father and myself are dark skinned and, another thing, all my family suffer from keloid scarring after any form of skin injury and this is considered to be more prevelant in those of African descent.
The new releatives that contacted me just last week are the same generation relation to Lourina as myself but to her second husband. If anything they are even darker than our family and they too are aware that there grandmother, Lourina's daughter, was described as being black.
I agree it is a real mystery as they just seem to have discappeared leaving their child. We suppose they have died but I wondered if they may have emigrated.
If Francis was born in America and came to England maybe he decided to go back and didn't take the child with them. I am not sure.
And, if Francis was a returning black slave, or a free black man, is it really likely that he would be a boarding house keeper (who couldn't even write? And what about his first wedding, he is described as a widower, where did that happen and who to?
And also, what is Mary Stubbs, a girl from Northwich doing living in Old Hall Street Liverpool?
Once again, thanks for all your help.
Thanks for all the interest and help.
I haven't looked at the slave register because I am not sure how to do it and the name Cato was newly discovered. I had thought Francis's father was Daniel Boston as I found a Francis christened at St Nicholas around the right time.
But then another newly found relative sent me their wedding certificate. The service was a St Nicholas on May 18 1847 between Francis Boston, age ? (looks like adult), Boarding House Keeper, Barton Lane, father Cato Boston, Livery Stable Keeper and Mary Stubbs, age ??, no rank or profession, Old Hall Street, father Peter Stubbs, shipwright.
They were married by licence by JB Phillips, a curate.
Both made their mark in the presence of William and Margaret Culcheth.
On Lourina's birth certificate Francis Boston is again listed as a Boarding House Keeper of 7 Barton Lane, Lourina having been born at that address on March 22 1948.
I have all of Lourina's history after that which wasn't easy to find as her name was, as you quite rightly say, mistranslated.
I have no photographs just what has been passed through the family by word of mouth.
My grandma, Lourina's grand-daughter, who lived to be 99 and died in 1997, was to all intents and purposes a black lady. It wasn't just her colouring, she had very negroid features and her mother was a very small, very white woman. There are no photographs of her father. Both my father and myself are dark skinned and, another thing, all my family suffer from keloid scarring after any form of skin injury and this is considered to be more prevelant in those of African descent.
The new releatives that contacted me just last week are the same generation relation to Lourina as myself but to her second husband. If anything they are even darker than our family and they too are aware that there grandmother, Lourina's daughter, was described as being black.
I agree it is a real mystery as they just seem to have discappeared leaving their child. We suppose they have died but I wondered if they may have emigrated.
If Francis was born in America and came to England maybe he decided to go back and didn't take the child with them. I am not sure.
And, if Francis was a returning black slave, or a free black man, is it really likely that he would be a boarding house keeper (who couldn't even write? And what about his first wedding, he is described as a widower, where did that happen and who to?
And also, what is Mary Stubbs, a girl from Northwich doing living in Old Hall Street Liverpool?
Once again, thanks for all your help.
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Just found this
on another website. Looking for William ad Margaret Culcheth (who were the witness at Francis and Mary's wedding):
The 1861 census shows a William Culcheth b 1841 Liverpool nephew of John & Margaret Grille - John Grille was b Charleston USA and Margaret was b Burscough Lancs
Address was 81 Old Hall St Liverpool. Was William the son of John & Mary Ann??
Coincidence perhaps?
The 1861 census shows a William Culcheth b 1841 Liverpool nephew of John & Margaret Grille - John Grille was b Charleston USA and Margaret was b Burscough Lancs
Address was 81 Old Hall St Liverpool. Was William the son of John & Mary Ann??
Coincidence perhaps?
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John Louis Grille 1849 Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
Margaret Culcheth 1849 Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
1816-1829 and 1874-1884 directories John L Grille clk 224 East Bay charleston SC
1855 slaters directory, John Lewis Grille, Outfitter, 73 Old Hall st Liverpool
then moved to #81
I did some scouting of the name Grille I found some interesting info in that it originated in France and had La in front and later dropped. the Compte de La Grille had a large plantation in Jamaica, any of his slaves would have carried the La Grille name.
John Louis Grille 1849 Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
Margaret Culcheth 1849 Liverpool (1837-1934) Lancashire
1816-1829 and 1874-1884 directories John L Grille clk 224 East Bay charleston SC
1855 slaters directory, John Lewis Grille, Outfitter, 73 Old Hall st Liverpool
then moved to #81
I did some scouting of the name Grille I found some interesting info in that it originated in France and had La in front and later dropped. the Compte de La Grille had a large plantation in Jamaica, any of his slaves would have carried the La Grille name.
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Massachusetts Marriages, 1633-1850
Name: Sally Mansfeild
Gender: Female
Spouse: Cato Boston
Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1788
City: Salem
County: Essex
Source: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT, Film # 0761210
Massachusetts Marriages, 1633-1850
Name: Cato Boston
Gender: Male
Spouse: Esther Coback
Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1784
City: Abington
County: Plymouth
Source: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT, Film # 0770907 & 0904377.
1790 United States Federal Census
Name: Cato Boston
Township: Woodstock
County: Windsor
State: Vermont
listed as other/not white but not as a slave he was either black or mullatoe
Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors in the War of the Revolution, 17 Vols Volume: 16
Page Number: 173
Boston, Cato, Hardwick. Descriptive list of enlisted men; Capt. Page's co., Col. Rice's regt.; age, 22 yrs.; stature, 5 ft. 7 in.; complexion, black; occupation, farmer; enlisted Feb. 19, 1781; enlistment, 3 years.
plymouth massachussettes civil regs
cato a negro man belonging to mr. thomas foster and jenne a negro woman belonging to mr. john foster married this day may 21 1731
Name: Sally Mansfeild
Gender: Female
Spouse: Cato Boston
Marriage Date: 16 Aug 1788
City: Salem
County: Essex
Source: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT, Film # 0761210
Massachusetts Marriages, 1633-1850
Name: Cato Boston
Gender: Male
Spouse: Esther Coback
Marriage Date: 25 Oct 1784
City: Abington
County: Plymouth
Source: Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT, Film # 0770907 & 0904377.
1790 United States Federal Census
Name: Cato Boston
Township: Woodstock
County: Windsor
State: Vermont
listed as other/not white but not as a slave he was either black or mullatoe
Massachusetts Soldiers and Sailors in the War of the Revolution, 17 Vols Volume: 16
Page Number: 173
Boston, Cato, Hardwick. Descriptive list of enlisted men; Capt. Page's co., Col. Rice's regt.; age, 22 yrs.; stature, 5 ft. 7 in.; complexion, black; occupation, farmer; enlisted Feb. 19, 1781; enlistment, 3 years.
plymouth massachussettes civil regs
cato a negro man belonging to mr. thomas foster and jenne a negro woman belonging to mr. john foster married this day may 21 1731
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Boarding house
Does anyone think it is possible that the Boarding House metioned at 7 Barton Lane was a house of somehwat less repute and that is why there is no refence to it.
this is 7 Barton Lane Liverpool in 1851
a variety of visitors and lodgers but doesn't look specifically a house of ill repute
1851 census HO107; Piece: 2179; Folio: 636; Page: 30
JONES, John Head Married M 33 1818 Joiner And Cabinet Maker Ireland
JONES, Jane Wife Married F 39 1812 Liverpool
Lancashire SMITH, Mary Lodger Married F 22 1829 Dress Maker Ireland
SWEENEY, Jane Servant Unmarried F 25 1826 Servant Ireland
WELSH, Mary Visitor Unmarried F 19 1832 Ireland
SWEENY, Catherine Visitor Unmarried F 19 1832 Ireland V
CONLEY, Catherine Visitor Unmarried F 18 1833 Prostitutes Ireland
WELSH, Susannah Visitor Unmarried F 17 1834 Holyhead
Anglesey
LYNCH, Hannah Lodger Unmarried F 17 1834 Holyhead
Anglesey
BANNON, Louis Visitor M 25 1826 Mariner Spain
ANTONE, Pedro Visitor Unmarried M 30 1821 Mariner Spain
a variety of visitors and lodgers but doesn't look specifically a house of ill repute
1851 census HO107; Piece: 2179; Folio: 636; Page: 30
JONES, John Head Married M 33 1818 Joiner And Cabinet Maker Ireland
JONES, Jane Wife Married F 39 1812 Liverpool
Lancashire SMITH, Mary Lodger Married F 22 1829 Dress Maker Ireland
SWEENEY, Jane Servant Unmarried F 25 1826 Servant Ireland
WELSH, Mary Visitor Unmarried F 19 1832 Ireland
SWEENY, Catherine Visitor Unmarried F 19 1832 Ireland V
CONLEY, Catherine Visitor Unmarried F 18 1833 Prostitutes Ireland
WELSH, Susannah Visitor Unmarried F 17 1834 Holyhead
Anglesey
LYNCH, Hannah Lodger Unmarried F 17 1834 Holyhead
Anglesey
BANNON, Louis Visitor M 25 1826 Mariner Spain
ANTONE, Pedro Visitor Unmarried M 30 1821 Mariner Spain
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I think you would be bound to get some "ladies of the night" living in the area, it's quite close to the docks there and an obvious place for seamen to look for overnight lodgings.
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A little further on
Good afternoon from sunny Devon,
I am sure people will have to read the rest of this thread to understand fully but since I was last in contact I have managed to get a little further on which might give so0me of you experts more to work with.
We have now discovered that Francis Boston died in 1848 and his address looks from the brith certificate to be either 102 or 112 Leeds Street. He died of pericaditis and was 41. He was still registered as being a boarding house keeper.
I suspected he must have died soon after his daughter was born and that was she ended up with her maternal family in Runcorn by 1851.
We still haven't found out what happened to his wife following his death and our big mystery, where he was born, is still no closer to being solved.
Any further help would be massively appreciated as I am now not sure how we can take it any further.
Best regards
Andrew
I am sure people will have to read the rest of this thread to understand fully but since I was last in contact I have managed to get a little further on which might give so0me of you experts more to work with.
We have now discovered that Francis Boston died in 1848 and his address looks from the brith certificate to be either 102 or 112 Leeds Street. He died of pericaditis and was 41. He was still registered as being a boarding house keeper.
I suspected he must have died soon after his daughter was born and that was she ended up with her maternal family in Runcorn by 1851.
We still haven't found out what happened to his wife following his death and our big mystery, where he was born, is still no closer to being solved.
Any further help would be massively appreciated as I am now not sure how we can take it any further.
Best regards
Andrew
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Finally found something
Hi there
I have finally found some more evidence in my hunt for Francis Boston and where he comes from.
When he married Mary Stubbs he was listed as a Board House Keeper in Barton Lane. That was in 1847. I know he died in 1848.
However I have today discovered that he was married again and I am sure it is the same Francis. He had two children with a wife called Emma. Details are:
Baptisms: 6 Oct 1844 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Amanda Maria Boston - Child of Francis Boston & Emma
Born: 5 Sep 1844
Abode: Chisenhale St
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: J G Headlam Curate
Register: Baptisms 1843 - 1844, Page 333, Entry 2657
Source: LDS Film 93884
Baptisms: 5 May 1846 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Ann Boston - Child of Francis Boston & Emma
Born: 18 Apr 1846
Abode: Barton Lane
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: Richd. Appleton M A Chaplain of Kirkdale Gaol
Register: Baptisms 1846 - 1847, Page 110, Entry 873
Source: LDS Film 93885
I know this doesn't give me the information that I am looking for but the fact that it says he is a mariner fits with family stories and may give me another avenue of investigation.
I have also found more on Mary today. After Franics died it appears she was married to Alexander Beattie the following year. Then in 1861 she marries a William Shields at St Martin in the Field.
Marriage: 2 Feb 1860 St Martin in the Fields, Vauxhall, Lancashire, England
William Shields - (X), Full Carter Bachelor of Gt Oxford St
Mary Beattie - (X), Full Widow of Islington
Groom's Father: William Shields, Farmer
Bride's Father: Peter Stubbs, Shipwright
Witness: William Sampson, (X); Catherine Molyneux, (X)
Married by Banns by: Cecil Wray Incumbent
Register: Marriages 1860 - 1890, Page 2, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 1656206
Now just trying to find if she had any other children - a whole new side to the family I didn't know I had.
Cheers
Andrew
I have finally found some more evidence in my hunt for Francis Boston and where he comes from.
When he married Mary Stubbs he was listed as a Board House Keeper in Barton Lane. That was in 1847. I know he died in 1848.
However I have today discovered that he was married again and I am sure it is the same Francis. He had two children with a wife called Emma. Details are:
Baptisms: 6 Oct 1844 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Amanda Maria Boston - Child of Francis Boston & Emma
Born: 5 Sep 1844
Abode: Chisenhale St
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: J G Headlam Curate
Register: Baptisms 1843 - 1844, Page 333, Entry 2657
Source: LDS Film 93884
Baptisms: 5 May 1846 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Ann Boston - Child of Francis Boston & Emma
Born: 18 Apr 1846
Abode: Barton Lane
Occupation: Mariner
Baptised by: Richd. Appleton M A Chaplain of Kirkdale Gaol
Register: Baptisms 1846 - 1847, Page 110, Entry 873
Source: LDS Film 93885
I know this doesn't give me the information that I am looking for but the fact that it says he is a mariner fits with family stories and may give me another avenue of investigation.
I have also found more on Mary today. After Franics died it appears she was married to Alexander Beattie the following year. Then in 1861 she marries a William Shields at St Martin in the Field.
Marriage: 2 Feb 1860 St Martin in the Fields, Vauxhall, Lancashire, England
William Shields - (X), Full Carter Bachelor of Gt Oxford St
Mary Beattie - (X), Full Widow of Islington
Groom's Father: William Shields, Farmer
Bride's Father: Peter Stubbs, Shipwright
Witness: William Sampson, (X); Catherine Molyneux, (X)
Married by Banns by: Cecil Wray Incumbent
Register: Marriages 1860 - 1890, Page 2, Entry 4
Source: LDS Film 1656206
Now just trying to find if she had any other children - a whole new side to the family I didn't know I had.
Cheers
Andrew
From www.bmd.org.uk September Quarter 1842 West Derby registration district volume 20 page 629 Francis Boston married Emma Thompson.
www,lancashirebmd.org.uk shows that the marriage took place at St Jam.s Toxteth Park.
Does the second marriage certifictae show that Francis was a widower?
Hilary
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www,lancashirebmd.org.uk shows that the marriage took place at St Jam.s Toxteth Park.
Does the second marriage certifictae show that Francis was a widower?
Hilary
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Andrew K
Yes it does
Yes wedding certificate to Mary Stubbs does say widower.
The marriage to Emma is a great find thanks. I do think we are getting closer now after a real slow down in progress.
Because my family are quite long lived and because my gran lived until well into my adulthood I still feel very close to these people and the thought that there are now hundreds (probably) or cousins out there is tremendous news.
Thanks for all your help.
Don't suppose anyone has the 1841 census to see if Francis is mentioned in that do they. He will have been 34 at the time.
Andrew
The marriage to Emma is a great find thanks. I do think we are getting closer now after a real slow down in progress.
Because my family are quite long lived and because my gran lived until well into my adulthood I still feel very close to these people and the thought that there are now hundreds (probably) or cousins out there is tremendous news.
Thanks for all your help.
Don't suppose anyone has the 1841 census to see if Francis is mentioned in that do they. He will have been 34 at the time.
Andrew