Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi everyone, looking for help, can anyone tell me what denomination St Peters church liverpool is? I have found a christening record for what I belive to be a relative of mine William Woodward born 5th Jan 1840. Also will i need to purchase this record in order to see the parents name or is there any other way of viewing it as I dont live in England.

many thanks.

sue

St Peter's, once in Church Street, was Church of England, and from 1880 to the consecration of the new cathedral, acted as the city's pro-cathedral.
Someone reading this may offer to look up the register, but if nothing happens, do another post including words like 'look-up request' in the subject space.
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I amended the heading but the IGI has the parents names for this baptism
5th January, 1840 William Woodward
Parents William Woodward and Ellen

It is an extracted entry rather than a user submitted one, so as reliable as you are going to get without viewing the original.

Hi Sue

I take it you have this baptism from the IGI?

You won't get mother's maiden name from the baptism record, but should get father's occupation and place of abode for the family.

Are your family from the Liverpool area.. noticed a couple of possible marriages, one in Bolton in 1838 to Ellen Dootson,, but also one at St Mary Edge Hill, Liverpool 22 Jun 1829 to Ellen Weatherall.

As Daggers said, a post for a Lookup would be best bet if you think father's occupation would confirm for you.

Simone x

thanks to both of you. I was hoping to find the mothers maiden name. I also thought that marriage in 1838 might be them as I assume their first child was born in 1840 from the census records, but the first born was born in Liverpool, perhaps they moved? I just guessed the fathers name was william as ellen is listed as widowed in the census 1851, 1861 with her children William, David, elizabeth (misspelt eirgane in 1851 census.). Actually, I posted before trying to find a marriage between Elizabeth Woodward and Andrew Hamilton but no luck, but Elizabeth had a son she named David Woodward Hamilton in 1884 and then I thought what if she had named him after her brother who may have died and not her father as we orgionally thought. So I found this family of Woodwards and as it happens there is an Elizabeth and David and David dies in 1882 two years before Elizabeth names her child. It's all guess work really and I suppose I cant be sure if its the same family or not but it's fun trying. sorry to be so long winded (too late I hear you cry). Thanks for all the help.

sue.

The only certain way is by birth/marriage certificates.

Unfortunately there are quite a number of William Woodwards within a +/- 2 year span of 1840 but you can make contact with the GRO and ask them to undertake a three consecutive year search for your William, specifying a criteria, such as the parents names. This is a little more expensive (approximately £11.50) than just ordering the certificate (£7) but is cheaper than ordering two or three certificates and just hoping for the right one.

See if the baptism sheds more light on things first, hopefully somebody will be visiting the Records Office soon and will be willing to help out.

Just to clarify you are not certain that the family with Ellen as head in 1851 is yours

for the peeps
1851 HO107; Piece: 2184; Folio: 465; Page: 40
Name Age
Ellen Woodward 33 b Ireland
William Woodward 10
David Woodward 8
Liregane Woodward 5


The entry on the IGI is baptism not birth so this William would have been born in 1839 most probably.

likely this one

William Woodward
Year of Registration: 1839
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 329

but he may be a little early for your William from what you say

Do you have William's marriage, the marriage entry would give his father's occupation Who did William marry?

If you can find that a lookup may be possible if we know the church and then as Mary said a request for baptism lookup may be the next step forward

Simone x

Hi simone, Thanks for your help. You are right it would be too early for that william in the 1951 Census and yes to clarify I am not sure if this is the correct woodward family. I was trying to find my great grandmother Elizabeth Woodward(hamilton) parents. As there is no record of a marriage for her to andrew hamilton. I am really guessing that this may be her family in 1851 because of the David connection that I mentioned in the other thread. Am I completely on a wild goose chase? I dont have a marriage for william but I think from the census that his brother David born 1842 abt married an Elizabeth Wiseman. That David died in 1882 and it is why I suspect my ggmother named her son b 1884 david woodward hamilton. I will order davids marriage cert and see who parents are.

Many thanks

sue

Hi Sue

Can you confirm if either of these families are yours, or tell us what info you have as far as census, or certficates so far

RG11; Piece: 3688; Folio: 23; Page: 40
1881 33 Helena Street
Name Age
Andrew Hamilton 34 b Ireland- Traveller
Elizabeth Hamilton 34 b Birkenhead, Cheshire
Andrew Hamilton 18 months b Liverpool
Elizabeth Hamilton 4 b Liverpool

or possibly

1891 census
RG12; Piece: 2952; Folio 105; Page 4
41 Ellison Street, Liverpool
Name Age
Hugh Lawery 35
Margaret Lavery 30
Sarah Ann Lavery 5
Arthur Lavery 1
Elizabeth Hariton 36 lodger b Wales, Abergele
Elizabeth Hamilton 13 b Liverpool
Ann Jan Hamelin 2 b Liverpool
David Hamilton 6 b Liverpool
Patrick Lavery 10


Simone x

Hi Simone, yes both those Hamilton families are mine. They misspelt Elizabeth and Ann Jane (my grandmother) surnames, they should be Hamilton. The father Andrew died 1888 and little Andrew died 1884 thats why they are not in the 1891 census. I have ann jane and her sister Elizabeth and brother David Woodward Hamilton birth certs. I have death cert for andrew and little andrew. I found Ann jane and her sister (elizabeth and David) in the 1901 census but no Mother with them couldnt find her after that or a death for her. I never found a marriage for Elizabeth and Andrew. I hope this is of help to you.

Sue

Hi simone, forgot to say that even though it lists elizabeth as being born in birkenhead and then abergele wales, some people on the forum in the past thought that either was a mistake or that abergele wasnt too far from birkenhead, im not sure of the geography myself, but i'm pretty confident that its the same woman.

many thanks

sue

Hi Sue

Blimey what a pickle Mind you I had someone who alternated her birth place between Manchester and Ruthin on each census in Liverpool Turned out that she was born in Wrexham, her paternal grandfather in Ruthin and her maternal grandmother in Manchester, so she obviously wasn't sure where she was born when it came to densus time

Looking back at your old posts you say Andrew died in Oakfield Road... Have you had any contact with Ron Hamilton , he has Hamilton family from Oakfied Road too

here is one but if you search you will find more

http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... highlight=

I know he has researched the family a lot, maybe you are connected

Simone x

Hi simone, My grandfather andrew hamilton died in royal infirmary and little andrew died in 66 lime grove. Dont remember any oakfield road.

thanks sue

sorry Sue, lived there before he died

http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... ght=#52957

just thought.. could be a different Oakfield Road... but very coincidental, Hamilton name and Oakfield Road

Simone x