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I am hoping that someone can point me in the right direction for researching a relative who I have just discovered sailed to Australia in 1924.

They sailed aboard the Berrima leaving London on the 22nd April bound for Melbourne, and via the Australian Cemeteries site, Frankston General Cemetery have found their deaths, along with the names of their children.

But where do I go from here?

Any help or advice would be appreciated.

Regards
Kebs

Hi Kebs,

What do you wish to know?

Start with some names of people and I will have a look at various sites available here in Australia for you.

If you can give me as much detail as possible, then I will see what I can do.

Hi Philrob

Any information would be very much appreciated

Ada Ysolinde Jane nee Mellor bn 1899/Walter Henry Barnes bn 1898 married Prestwich 1920 (have cert:) Sailed on the Berrima 24/4/1924 leaving London for Melbourne with one child Jane Edna aged 2yrs (have found birth and sent for cert: to confirm). Found via FMP.

Via http://www.ozgenonline.com/aust_cemeter ... abdata.htm found Walter and Ada's deaths which also give the names of their children, Edna, Sam(dec), Rose, Betty, and Walter. Also, which was a bonus Ada's parents names are given, Thomas and Ada Annie Mellor (both dec), which for me confirmed I had the right family.

That's all I have, was over the moon when I found them, so anything at all Philrob would be great and appreciated.

Adios
Kebs

australian electoral roles
1931 1936 victoria, flinders, frankston
BARNES, ADA YSOLINDA JANE. DEVON MEADOWS, CRANBOURNE. h. d. F
BARNES, WALTER HENRY, DEVON MEADOWS, CRANBOURNE, FARMER, M

Cheers Northmeols

Cranbourne is a suburb in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia, 43 km south-east from Melbourne's central business district. Its Local Government Area is the City of Casey. At the 2006 Census, Cranbourne had a population of 14,750.

The greater Cranbourne area consists of Cranbourne, Cranbourne North, Cranbourne East, Cranbourne South, Cranbourne West. Some suburbs and townships that surround Cranbourne are Narre Warren South, Devon Meadows, Langwarrin, Clyde, and Junction Village

Devon Meadows Post Office opened on 21 March 1915, and closed in 1941.[2]

Devon Meadows contains a primary school with a current enrolment of about 300[3], a CFA fire station, community hall and tennis club.

http://www.casey.vic.gov.au/history/art ... ?Item=1673

http://www.nla.gov.au/collect/genealogy ... alvic.html

Hi Kebs,

The Victorian Registry of Births, Marriages and Deaths has an online search facility for finding information.
Paste in the following address and have a look what they have available.


Let me know how you go.

Susan thanks so much for the links, what interesting reading. Had a quick look at the Library link and think you need a card to search and have to be in Australia to get one, spent too much time reading the downloadable book. So will go back to the Library site.

Again, many thanks for help.

Kebs

Hi Philrob

Thanks for the link, will keep me busy for a few hours - hopefully successfully.

Will let you know

Thanks for your time and help.

Kebs

Hi Kebs,

Do you have the earlier information about the Barnes family? in 1911, Walter is living in Lichfield and there are four Ada Mellors listed born in 1899.

Hi Philrob

Ada I have, she was still living with her Aunt in Ruthin, where she had been since her mother had died in Liverpool in 1900.

Walter I had not found, so will now go back and have a look, Lichfield was the address given when they sailed for Australia.

Thanks for that - I missed that one

Kebs

Hi Kebs
The Victorian Archives are pay per view.
The National Library, I have a card & access.
Just list what you would like me to look at and I'll give it a go
Good find Phil!!

Tina

1911 with Walter Henry bn 1898 Lichfield rego also Magdaline Edith 16.
Sorry not much help.

Tina

Hi Tina

Anything and everything would be appreciated, as I know nothing, apart from what I have listed, and the find that Susan found for me.

I have sent for the birth cert. for Edna - hopefully the right one.

The other children I believe were all born Australia.

At the moment I am putting off buying more credits for 1911 until they confirm
their sub to include 1911 which I can include when I renew my sub with FMP, so Walter at the moment will have to wait.

Many thanks Tina

Kebs

Walter Henry BARNES 26 years Farmer, Ada Jane BARNES 25 Wife and Edna 2 years, former address in England, C/- Bests, Newland Dairy, Streethay, Lichfield, Staffs, departed London on 22 April 1924 on the Berrima ticketed to Australia. County of last permanent residence England. Country of Intended Future Permanent residence, Australia.

Birth indexes in Victoria only extend to 1920.

From Victorian death index

BARNES Ada Ysolinde Jan
Father Mellor Thomas Mother Ada Annie RICHARDS
At Pearcedale 74 years 1974 Reg#2160

BARNES Walter Henry
Father Tertius Walt Mother UNKNOWN
At Pearcedale 75 years 1973 Reg#29991

There is a facility to purchase online and immediately download an image of certificates for AUD$17.50
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/i ... chaseImage

A Victorian death certificate will tell you the following about the deceased - if known to the informant:
• name and occupation,
• date and place of death,
• age at death,
• cause of death and duration of any illness,
• name and occupation of the deceased’s father,
• name and maiden surname of the deceased’s mother,
• where and when buried,
• where born and how long in Australia,
• place of marriage and to whom, including previous marriages,
• children of the marriage(s), their ages, and whether living or deceased,
• the name of the person who supplied this information to the registry.

Cheers
Cassie

Good work Cassie

In Anc# There is a Tertius Walter bn Lichfield 1871.
Marriage to Minnie Poppleton in 1898 Walsall (his father Walter) can't access this. (not in Staffs BMD)
Also a poss death aged 32yrs in Bham in 1903.

Kebs, you'll find him in 1881 & 1891.
His father Walter bn Warks is in 1901 wid with one unmarried daughter at home.

I can't find Tertius in 1901.

Added: That's because he's Thomas W Barnes
RG13/2656/143/7

I'm guessing Minnie would have remarried before 1911

Tina

Oh Cassie, thank you so much - I am now sitting reading both the death certs for Walter and Ada with a tear in the eyes and over the moon. I never thought I would get this far, as I started out on this journey knowing nothing. Ada was my fathers sister, and we knew nothing of his past at all, so to have reached this point, words cannot describe.

You know what's coming next, is it possible for me to trace any of the children? now I have the correct first names - marriages/deaths etc, although there is a chance that one or two may, just may be living.

Again Cassie, thank you so much for your help and time.

A very happy bunny, Kebs

Tina, what a star Cassie is, (but then you all are on this forum) when I come down off that cloud will get my head together and sort the information you very kindly found.

Thank you Tina

Kebs

1841 England Census
Name: Joseph Barnes
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Civil parish: Sutton Coldfield
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Barnes 30
Frances Barnes 30
Charles Barnes 6
George Barnes 4
Joseph Barnes 2
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1128; Book: 5; Civil Parish: Sutton Coldfield; County: Warwickshire; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 10; Page: 13; Line: 5; GSU roll: 464171.

1851 England Census
Name: Walter Barnes
Age: 9
Where born: Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire, England
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Bamer 43
Frances Bamer 40
George Bamer 14
Joseph Bamer 12
Walter Barnes 9
Charles Barnes 6
Emma Barnes 4
William Barnes 1
Caroline Groutage 16
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2062; Folio: 428; Page: 15; GSU roll: 87320-87321.



1871 England Census
Name: Walter Barnes
Age: 29 abt 1842
Where born: New Oscott, Staffordshire, England think this should be warwickshire
Town: Cartersfield Lane, Pouk Lane and Wittacres, Staffordshire
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Barnes 29
Mary Ann Barnes 34
Edith A Barnes 2
Rosa S Barnes 1
Ellen Smith 14
Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2916; Folio: 59; Page: 2; GSU roll: 836406.

1881 England Census
Name: Walter Barnes
Age: 39
Where born: New Oscott, Warwickshire, England
Street Address: Ashmore Brook
Occupation: Farmer 250
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Barnes 39
Mary Ann Barnes 47
Edith Alice Barnes 12
Rosa Sarah Barnes 11
Tertius Walter Barnes 9
Annie Louisa Barnes 8
Florence Emma Barnes 5
Mary Jane Whittaker 16
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2774; Folio: 42; Page: 5; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341664.

1891 England Census
Name: Walter Barnes
Age: 49
Where born: Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire, England
Household Members: Name Age
Walter Barnes 49
Mary Ann Barnes 55
Edith Alice Barnes 22
Tertius Walter Barnes 19
Florence Emma Barnes 15
Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2213; Folio 78; Page 1; GSU roll: 6097323.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1915
Name: Walter Barnes
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 71
District: Lichfield
County: Staffordshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 596

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index, 1837-1915
Name: Walter Barnes
Year of Registration: 1841
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Aston (1837-1924)
County: Warwickshire
Volume: 16
Page: 197

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index: 1837-1915
Record Name Year of Registration Spouse's Surname District County Walter Barnes 1867 Walsall Staffordshire Volume: 6b Page: 871
Mary Ann Taylor 1867 Walsall Staffordshire Oct-Nov-Dec qtr

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ British Isles
JOSEPH ROBERT BARNES
Marriages:
Spouse: FRANCES BULL
Marriage: 19 AUG 1832 Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick, England
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M011684 1832 - 1845 0919797-799 Film NONE
M011684 1845 - 1852 0919800, 0918845-46 Film