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can anyone help me I am trying to find out who Richard Leather who was born in the Halewood area around 1800 married the 1841 census gives her name as Mary but the only marriage I have been able to find is to a Mary Ann Garrnet in St Thomas Toxteth 1824 this date fits in with the birth of their first child. All census details from 1841 are for Halewood and Hale I would be glad of any help

Also is LEATHERS LANE HALEWOOD anything to do with this family I found an old photo on a Halewood site for a Leathers cottage 1901 but it did not give any address details
Thanks in advance
Carolyn

could this be your family

Richard Leather 1800 in Halewood, Lancashire, , England
Spouse: Mary Ann Church Calton (1803-1871)

Children:
James Leather (1826-)
thomas Leather (1827-)
mary Leather (1829-)
Thomas Leather (1830-)
Richard Leather (1832-)
john Leather (1844-)


England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1940

Name: Richard Leather
Gender: Male
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann Garnett
Marriage Date: 10 Nov 1825
Marriage Place: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Hi thanks for your prompt reply this does look like the correct family and the marriage to Mary Ann Garrnett is the only one I have been able to find How do you think Mary Ann Church Calton fits in it is a new name to me ?

Thanks again
Carolyn

Hi Carolyn (lovely name) Welcome

I'll get in touch with cuz Tommy, he's a mine of info about Halewood, Leathers Lane, Bayleys Lane etc.

Here's 1851 census
Bayleys Lane Halewood
Richard Leather 50 farm labr, Mary A 53, dghtr Mary Leather 22 states married, Thomas 21 single farm labr, John 7, son in law John Leather 22 farm labr, grandson Joseph 5mnths all bn Halewood.

Leather to Leather John & Mary, 1849 Tox Park St Clement.

1861 Bayleys Lane Richard is 61 bn WHISTON, Mary Ann 65 bn Lpool, John 17 bn Halewood.
Next door but one is young Richard Leather 28 his birthplace Lpool.

Tommy told me, with regard to my own family, the preacher only came every 3 months or so to Hale etc so couples went by horse & cart & got married in Lpool, or Tox Park as it was the closest.

Chat again soon

Tina

With regard to the John born approx 1844 mentioned both by North Meols and Tina in the 1851 census, I would be doubtful if he was the son of Richard and Mary A - of course I could be wrong, however how many times have we come across a grandchild being brought up as one of the children to save face as it were.

However, since this John is the only one of an age to have been registered in the Civil Registers, if it were me, I think I'd try to get the certificate and see if Richard and Mary A had also been registered as his parents. If you were lucky this might help with Mary's maiden name.

He could however, have been registered with the mother's name, assuming that it was, say, young Mary.

I think this might be the birth entry since there are a number of John Leathers within a two year span around 1844, but only one in the right area.

Birth John Leather Q4 1843 Prescot, Lancashire 20 707 - the transcriber doesn't seem too sure about the page number but it looks very much like 707 to me.

Hi Carolyn
I've found this site very useful for all things Halewood and I know Mike Royden is very good at answering questions about the area if its not on there:-
http://www.roydenhistory.co.uk/halewood/index.html

http://www.halevillageonline.co.uk/#/home/4516217834
I also remember from looking for my own family there, that there are quite a few of the Leather family buried in the Graveyard of St. Mary's in Hale Village. (Hale, as you probably know, merges with Halewood).

Tony

Hi I have some time ago put a request regarding Leathers lane on the Halewood site but had no replies it is not working at the moment. I have looked at graveyard records for St nicholas as they all seem to have lived nearer to there and found quite a few Leathers as yet I have not tried to match them up. There is a Richard and Mary Ann together which may be the ones that belong to me. This is all so easy when you start off then not so easy after 1841.

Carolyn

John's christening is on www.familysearch.org

At Hale
John Leather baptised 15 oct 1843 parents Richard and Mary Leather


Halewood baptisms start in 1839 and James Thomas and Mary's baptisms are also at Hale

Ed Officer

The registration for John Leather would appear to be the right one - that would then give you Mary Ann's maiden name

There are a number of public family trees on Ancestry which appears to have your Richard leather on them. However none of them have parents for him, some don't have his wife's name and one gives him a different wife!

In the 1861 census he gives his birth place as Whiston which may be a clue. On the same census Mary Ann says she was born in Liverpool.

Study of the Hale registers may help. There is a Lancashire Register Treanscription Society Book of the registers 1741 - 8142. You may be able to access this in a local library. It can also be bought as Microfiche and CD (I think) from the Society see Publications on main page.

As there are many entries from this on www.familysearch.org and no Richard Leather around 1800 I feel you need to search the surrounding churches for a possibly baptism. I'd try Huyton and because Whiston was in Prescot parish I'd try churches in that parish as well. Films of these churches will probably be found in Huyton library and St Helen's library.

I had a look on www.lan-opc.org.uk site for Prescot and I think this could be your man

Richard Leather born 27 November 1799 baptised 22 December 1799 son of James and Ann Leather of Whiston Father's occupation labourer

Further reesearch on this site might produce other siblings etc.

Ed officer

You might also consider Childwall and Speke if you need to visit the Record Office since there is a shortage of these registers online for the appropriate time.

Hello to E.O
Good find 1799 especially as he does say Whiston as one of his birthplaces.

Tina

Hi
Richard certainly liked marrying Mary he also married Mary Anne Garnet at St Mary, Hale on the 19 th December 1825 both of this parish, Richard a husbandman,Mary spinster banns witnessed by Elizabeth Armstrong and John Yates
5 November 1826 son James born to Richard and Mary Anne of Halewood
19 October 1828 daughter Mary born to Richard and Mary of Toxteth park,labourer
14 August 1831son Thomas to Richard and Mary of Toxteth park,labourer
26 May1833 son Richard to Richard and Mary of Toxteth park,labourer
Have fun
John

Wills - have you looked at them yet? they could give clues.

Now preserved in the Probate Registry, Chester
Leather, Richard, of Widnes, weaver Admon. 1767
Leather, Richard, of Hale, yeoman 27 Oct 1809
Leather, Richard, Farnworth, Widnes, sackcloth manufacturer. Nov 1837

Lancashire Wills
Leather, Richard, Liverpool, gent. Feb 1828
Leather, Richard, senior, of Hale 1672

Some advice on how to obtain copies
http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=7142
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Marriage at Rainford Chapel
15 Jun 1794 William Leather, watch-tool maker, ba., & Mary Leadbetter, sp., b.t.p. Wit. Richard Pinington, Peter Birchall

Burial Chapel of Hale, Childwall
30 Sep 1836 Richard s. Peter Leather of Much Woolton aged 2 weeks

Hi Carolyn,
The marriage and births or baptisms are from the cd for St Mary,Hale.
Sounds like coincidence two Richards and Marys. Good luck
John

Carolynb,
I am a very new member wose surname is Leather. I have some family history which may or may not give you thought.
My grandfather William Leather was born in Widnes in 1868, to a four or five child family. His father had moved from Hale and told him that his father was an ironsmith in the village of Hale. I have no dates.

My grandfather moved to Liverpool after serving an apprenticeship in Widnes as a riveter on ships and joined the union of Boilermakers &
Iron Shipbuilders on the 18th January 1888. He married Margaret Beasley
of Manchester abd had five children who where to the best of my knowledge christened at Walton Parish Church, Liverpool.
The were William, Alice, Aleck, Albert (my father) and Edith. On retirement
he moved to Tarbuck Green near Halewood. He, Margret, William and Alice are burie at Hailwood Parich church. Grandfather died in 1950

Carolynb,
I am a very new member whose surname is Leather. I have some family history which may or may not give you thought.
My grandfather William Leather was born in Widnes in 1868, to a four or five child family. His father had moved from Hale and told him that his father was an ironsmith in the village of Hale. I have no dates.

My grandfather moved to Liverpool after serving an apprenticeship in Widnes as a riveter on ships. He joined the union of Boilermakers &
Iron Shipbuilders on the 18th January 1888. He married Margaret Beasley
of Manchester abd had five children who where to the best of my knowledge christened at Walton Parish Church, Liverpool.
They were William, Alice, Aleck, Albert (my father) and Edith. On retirement he moved to Tarbuck Green near Halewood. He, Margret, William and Alice are buried at Hailwood Parich church. Grandfather died in 1950

Hi I have had a look at the 1881 census and found your Leathers living at 7 Lugsdale lane Widnes father Thomas mother Catherine the nearest Thomas I have was born in 1831 but yours was born in 1838

I have
1841 Hale
Richard 40 farm lab born Halewood
Mary 40 bor Childwall
James 14
Mary 12
Thomas 10
Richard 8

1851 Baileys lane
one more son John 7

1861 still bayleys lane

My line is from Richard born 1833 who married Ellen Thomas from Windle My line did end up in widnes living in Bridge st but only in the late 1800
I think there must be a connection for us but where I dont know as Hale was and still is a small place

There maybe someone with the answer to our puzzle (with a bit of luck)

I will pm you with my e mail address


regards Carolyn