Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi folks

Just wondering if proof of age was needed when people got wed.

According to her marriage cert (March 1910) my nan, Elizabeth Jane Armstrong, was 21 but her birth date was 29 Dec 1891 which would make her 18.

Could father's names be entered incorrectly on the cert - am having trouble tracing my granddad's (Herbert) father - William Joseph Reed (hairdresser)

Flummoxed & confused (can you be both!!)

Lesley

Hi Lesley, it's easy to be both when it comes to our hobby.

If Elizabeth claimed she was 21 she wouldn't need parental permission, that's the most likely reason for her change in age.

We also find names incorrectly entered, the possibility is that Herbert didn't know his father's name, he may have been illegitimate so covered up this fact by either inventing a name or using the names of somebody who had become a father figure to him, just to save face.

Please give fuller details from the marriage certificate, his address and witnesses names, anything that might help and I'm sure the crew will help to have a look for you.

Thanks Mary - sorry for delay

Details from nan & granddad's marriage cert

marriage took place at English Presbyterian Church, Breeze Hill Walton on 6th March 1910

Herbert Reed
23yrs
Bachelor
Carter
20 Arthur Street, Walton
Father's name - William Joseph Reed - Occ hair-dresser


Elizabeth Jane Armstrong
21yrs
Spinster
Domestic Servant
23 Andrew Street, Walton
Father's name - William Armstrong (dec'd) - Occ Marine Fireman
(Don't yet have a date of death for William)

witnesses Henrietta Grice & Thomas Lynn

Mother of Eliz Jane - Amelia Grice - Amelia & Wm were married in 1890 - so nan lying about her age gave the impression she was illegitimate!

Lesley
(membership application already in post!!)

Hi Lesley
Thinking dad William may be Joseph William

1891 census -
RG12; Piece: 3121; Folio 96; Page 17
24 German Street, Bolton
Name Age
Joseph W Reed 28 Hairdressers assistant- b Yorkshire, Hull
Catherine Reed 25 b Liverpool
Herbert Reed 4 b Liverpool
William Reed 2 b Bolton
Henry Reed 6/12 b Bolton

Simone x

Lancs bmd has

Jospeh W Reed m Catherine Hothard at Edge Hill, Christ Church 1886


1901 census
20 Arthur Street, Walton
RG13; Piece: 3452; Folio: 79; Page: 29
Name Age
Joseph W Rud 38 Hairdresser
Catherine Rud 35
Herbert Rud 14
William Rud 12
Henry Rud 10
Amy Rud 6
Elsie Rud 2


Simone x

Hi Lesley
1911 census has Herbert Reed 24, Elizabeth 20
also an Elsie Reed 12 yrs old.
West Derby Rego.
I hope this helps with Elizabeth's age.

Good work Simone in 1901, Rud
little sis Elsie is there...

Tina

Hi Simone

Thank you soooooooooooo much

Tried all variations of Reed with no joy - would never have guessed in a million years to try Rud.

I've got so much to learn about tracing family members - is there an easy way to search an address

Lesley x

Hi Tina

Lovely to hear from you

Thanks for 1911 info

Lesley x

Hi Lesley

I just searched 1891 for Herbert Reed with dad William,
no joy, but noticed one with dad Joseph W, so had a look and saw he was a hairdresser couldn't find them in 1901, so searched for a Herbert with a dad Joseph, but didn't put any surname in, up came the Rud entry

Simone x

Great work Simone and the address clinches it.

Thanks Mary

Lesley would you like me to get that marriage for you at the weekend when I get to Record Office (fingers crossed )

Simone x

Hi Simone

Thank you so much for the offer - have got a few other bits & pieces to do so am hoping to visit the RO very soon.

Thanks for being so amazing - have followed the Reed line back to 1841 census - couldn't have done it without you.

Lesley x

Hi Simone

Jospeh W Reed m Catherine Hothard at Edge Hill, Christ Church 1886

turns out Catherine's name is Stothart/Stothard - think I'm getting the hang of this!!

Lesley x

The GRO Index spells Joseph William's name as REID and he married Catherine STOTHART in March quarter 1886 (8b536) so that narrows down your search.

simone wrote:Lancs bmd has

Jospeh W Reed m Catherine Hothard at Edge Hill, Christ Church 1886

Simone x

Yes I know Lesley that's why I offered to get the details from the marriage for you... the quote is from my earlier post

And there was you thinking I am psychic

Do you want me to get the details from it for you then

Simone x

Hi Simone

thanks again for your really kind offer - will leave it tho if you don't mind (one less for you to worry about) - still compiling my 'shipping list' of info I need, thought I could do it at the same time

Lesley x