Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hello good folks been a while since I've been here so hope you're all well.

Thanks to previous help here I've made lots of progress confirming family members.
This leads me to asking if some kind soul minds looking up a marriage for me?

John CANNELL ( sometimes spelt Canel , Connell ) to Louisa MAKIN Dec quarter1838 at Liverpool Registery Office.

I'm in need of knowing the name of John's father possible occupation and an address, if that information is available for Louisa would be great too.

Many Thanks Cazz

p.s. I'm off to the IOM in September & I know lots of Liverpool family are from there let me know if I can be of service to anyone?

Hi,
I am presuming that you have the GRO reference for the marriage. If you send off for the certificate, it will give you the information you want.
Emeltee

Hi Cazz
As pointed out by Emeltee the marriage cert will provide the info you are looking for and more. The GRO index reference is:
Dec 1838; CANNELL, John James Cain to Makin, Louisa - Liverpool - 20 - 325.
Cheers,
Dickiesam

Ok thanks was hoping not to have send away for yet another certificate,
but fair dos.

You've found different middle names to the ones I thought ll so thanks for that.
That way now I'll be sending for the right certificate.

Cazz

Hi Cazz

When it says Register office or registrar attended, we aren't able to look up the marriage for you at the record office in the way that you can for a church marriage The only way is order the certificate, sorry

Simone x

Hi Cazz

Have a look at the info given by MaryA in the following link

http://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/p ... php?t=6937

Thanks one and all not a problem ordering the certificate, with all your kind replies I've now got the correct information, and knowledge of the need to order it.

Cazz

Hi Cazz
Nice to see your smiley face back in the forum.

All the best with the cert, keep us posted.

Tina

Tina wrote:Hi Cazz
Nice to see your smiley face back in the forum.

All the best with the cert, keep us posted.

Tina

I will Tina

Was wondering if anyone has suggestions as to where Alice IRWIN would have gone having arrived from Ireland ? Dublin, very pregnant before marrying William CANNELL ?
Time frame is about 1866 -1868.

Hi Cazz,

"Where Alice IRWIN would have gone having arrived from Ireland Dublin, very pregnant"

And it's still happening today! From experience in my rellies the phrase "Get thee to a nunnery" springs to mind. Lord help the poor woman! I believe most of the babies born in convents to unwed mothers would have been taken for adoption. Although a close relative like a sister might have taken her in. But I'd put a small bet on the nuns.
Cheers,
Dickiesam

Edit for PS: Just a thought, if William Cannell was the father Alice may have moved in with him prior to the birth.

dickiesam wrote:Hi Cazz,

"Where Alice IRWIN would have gone having arrived from Ireland Dublin, very pregnant"

And it's still happening today! From experience in my rellies the phrase "Get thee to a nunnery" springs to mind. Lord help the poor woman! I believe most of the babies born in convents to unwed mothers would have been taken for adoption. Although a close relative like a sister might have taken her in. But I'd put a small bet on the nuns.
Cheers,
Dickiesam

Edit for PS: Just a thought, if William Cannell was the father Alice may have moved in with him prior to the birth.

Ah yes the Irish reponse was a tough one back then.
I gather from family she left Ireland carrying the lord of the manor's child
so looks to have had the child in Liverpool.
I just know she married William and can account for their children.
There's a big gap between the oldest and second child i.e. 9 years so maybe the oldest is that child?
Don't really know how you'd find out?

Cazz

Hello Caz
I have a Cannell conection via the Isle of Man in my family. Do you think there might be a connection? Mary Ann Cannell born 1864 married John Speakman Williams in 1889. Her father, William Charles Cannell was born in the Isle of Man about 1830.
Barbara

Barbara B wrote:Hello Caz
I have a Cannell conection via the Isle of Man in my family. Do you think there might be a connection? Mary Ann Cannell born 1864 married John Speakman Williams in 1889. Her father, William Charles Cannell was born in the Isle of Man about 1830.
Barbara

Hello Barbara I'd been reading your topics with interest as we had same named forebears.
Think it's odds on Cannells from IOM are related even if distantly.
Until I get the mrriage certificate I'll not know who on IOM we're descended from when I do I'll let you know.
I am planning a visit to IOM in September if I can look up anything for you let me know?

Cazz

Hello Cazz (spelt it right this time!)
I have had a contact from a Cannell who is still in the Isle of Man - related through William Charles junior. He has helped trace some other members of the clan. Isabella married a Louis Braide and had children. I would be interested to see if there are any of their descendants so I may get back to you before September with any info I have. You might be able to trace them. I hope you enjoy your visit. I used to go on holiday as a child and have fond memories of Port Erin and Port St Mary
Barbara

Hi all
right the aforementioned marriage certificate has arrived and thrown up more questions than answers as per !!

So couple of queries John James Cain Cannell's father is John Cannell, occupation shown as possibly slaters or platers having problems reading the writing.
The Cannells seem to mostly work at the port so not sure about typical occupations there.
Plus one address is very difficult looks something like Cloham Place though the first letter looks the same as the capital O written for October on the certificate so possibly Oloham Place ?

The marriage was at the Register Office, Liverpool 1838 did you have to marry within an area near to where you married?

TIA Cazz

Hi Cazz
Could it be Oldham Place?

LindaS wrote:Hi Cazz
Could it be Oldham Place?

ah could well be, not far from St James Street and both near the docks, see this is why I need those with local knowledge cheers for that Linda.

Cazz

Hi Cazz
William Charles Cannell, born Isle of Man about 1830 also worked in the shipping trade - he was a ship's carpenter. Hope this is of interest/use to you.
Cheers
Barbara

Barbara B wrote:Hi Cazz
William Charles Cannell, born Isle of Man about 1830 also worked in the shipping trade - he was a ship's carpenter. Hope this is of interest/use to you.
Cheers
Barbara

Hi Barbara
I did come across this fella but not had time to work out how he'd be connected with my lot.
Does it say where in IOM he was born?

Cazz

Hi Cazz
No it doesn't give anything specific. I can tell you a bit about his family. His mother was Mary Watterson who seems to have married Mr Cannell some time after the birth of William and possibly his brother, Thomas, born Isle of Man about 1833. Mary's father was Thomas Watterson, a joiner and William was his apprentice in the 1841 census. They were listed as living in Onchan. They're hard to follow as Mary remarried Joseph/Hugh Lewis and the two sons took the surname Lewis at one point.
Hope this helps
Barbara