Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi

Tina kindly found my Gt Grandmother Elizabeth Evans on the 1911 census and I have managed to find the family on the 1901 census but I cannot find them before that - can anyone help please!
Tina found her under the name:
LYNCH, ELIEBETH !! - she married Thomas Lynch in 1907

1901 census Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3407; Folio: 16; Page: 24.

John Evans b 1851 Head born Liverpool
Ellen Evans b 1854 Wife born Bangor, Flint
Ann E Whelan daughter b 1875 Liverpool
Evan J Evans son b 1877 Liverpool
Robert Evans son b 1884 Liverpool
Elizabeth Evans daughter b 1889 Liverpool
William Evans son b 1893 Liverpool
charles Evans son b 1897 Liverpool
Thomas Whelan grandson b 1896 Liverpool
Caroline Whelan grandaug b 1900 Liverpool

But I cant find them before this census.

Note to Tina "Where the bluddy 'ell are they?"
Thanks

Victoria

First of all, do you have Ann's marriage certificate to Thomas Whelan, that took place in St Peters in 1894? What address was she living at?

Hi Victoria,
Been searching for the Evans' for a while now. Did find a couple of John/Ellens in the 1891 and 1881 but none shown as both born in Liverpool.

So, had another look at the 1901 page and found that Ellen is actually shown as born in Bangor, Flint. The 'full' name is Bangor is-y-Coed (Bangor by/of the forest/wood). It's registration district between 1837 and 1897 was Wrexham. From '97 to 1935 it was Ellesmere. Be helpful to edit the post details.

On another tack I found this possible marriage that might be them:
Mar qtr 1875: Evans, John to Thomas, Ellen - Liverpool - 8b - 143.
The birth cert for Ann or better still, son Evan, would confirm this marriage and give an address/area to search in 1881.
Births Jun 1877: EVANS, Evan John - Liverpool - 8b - 101. Seems to be him?

Why didn't folk with names like Evans, Smith, Hughes and Jones give their children distinctive forenames like Marmaduke, Aloysius, Bartholomew, etc?

Still searching and because I did find some possible matching individuals I am wondering if the family may have been split up in 1891 and either all or some were in a workhouse.
Dickiesam.

Hi Mary

No I haven't got the marriage certificate yet! Tina found the family on the 1911 census only on Sunday for me!!

Dickiesam

Thanks so much for having a look for them too.

Victoria

Hi the very kind Simone kindly and much appreciated looked up the marriage of Anne Ellen Evans to Thomas Whelan in 1894 at St Peters and send me the following information:

Ann is living at Redmond Place.

Thank you so much Simone xx

I've just gone through Redmond Place in 1891 but couldn't see them there

Simone x

Hi

Could this be John and Ellen lodging in 1881, although daughter Ann not with them, may be with relatives

John is a mariner on Ann's marriage cert, and this John is a seaman
at Plumbe Street
RG11; Piece: 3612; Folio: 33; Page: 14
Name Age
James Quigley 70
Catherine Quigley 56
Ann Quigley 18
Chas. Stewart 40
Maria Stewart 32
Elizabeth Stewart 12
Catherine Stewart 9
Mary Stewart 7
Henrietta Stewart
Malachi Ball 22
John Jones 66
Sarah Jones 50
John Evans 30 seaman?
Ellen Evans 28 b Bangor
Martin Moran 27
Mary Moran 25
I.Or J. Moran

Simone x

1891?
RG12; Piece: 2944; Folio 109; Page 31
no 8, 8 court, Prince Edwin Street
Name Age
John Evans 41 seaman
Ellen Evans 36 b Bangor
Ann Evans 16
John Evans 14
Lydia Evans 11
Robert Evans 5
Daniel Evans 2
Margaret Williams 65

Simone x

possible marriage?

Marriages Jun 1872

Edwards Ellen Bangor 11b 814
Evans John Bangor 11b 814

have you confimed maiden name of Ellen yet?

Simone x