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Hi everyone,
I'm back here after some time away.
I am helping my uncle John Eden with his tree at the moment.
We have his Eden line back to John Eden b1789 in St Helens, and through the family:
John Eden m Sarah ?
Children (all born in St. Helens):
Thomas Eden b1823, Esther Eden b1825, Ellen Eden b1827, Charles H Eden b1828, Joseph Eden b1831, John Eden b1838
Then Charles H Eden m Ann Cheetham
Children (all born in St. Helens):
Thomas Eden b1847, Elizabeth Eden b1856, Henry Eden b1858, Ann Eden b1864, John Eden b1866, Joseph Eden b1869
Then Henry Eden m Mary Ann Renolds
Children born in St. Helens/Leigh:
Charles Eden b1874, Elizabeth A Eden b1875, Ann Eden b1879, Mary Eden b1882, William Henry Eden b1883, Sarah Eden b1886, Joseph Eden b1889, Martha Eden b1891, Ellen Eden b1893, Margaret Eden b1895.

Had anyone got any links into this family? I would love to hear from you.
Bye for now,
Lisa.

Hi .... again?

I checked my CD but the only result I found I don't know if it's connected to your family.

Burial Ashton in Makerfield, Lancashire
29 Dec 1840 25 Dec 1840 Robert Eden s. Robert Eden, Smithy Brow St. Helens Inflammation of the chest 1

Hi Lisa,
I've pm'd you a reply concerning my Eden's. Let me know if you think your John and my William could be connected.

Marriage: 17 May 1813 St Mary The Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
John Eden - (X), Collier Bachelor of This Parish
Sarah Taylor - (X), Spinster of This Parish
Witness: Joseph Woods, (X); Ann Eden, (X)
Married by Banns by: John Kirby Minister
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1830, Page 7, Entry 19
Source: LDS Film 1657584

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ International Genealogical Index v5.0
British Isles

JOHN EDEN Male
Birth: 30 MAR 1789
Christening: 03 MAY 1789 Saint Helens, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: THOMAS EDEN

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C036662 1788 - 1812 942.72 K29PR Book 6909473 Film

Hi Lisa,
Think we may be on to something here, thanks to Northmeols
This is my William's marriage from Lanc OPC. Church same and Ann Eden is a common witness.

Marriage: 13 Jan 1811 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
William Eden - Collier bachelor of Parr
Ellen Rhoden - (X), spinster of Parr
Witness: Henry Bate, (X); Ann Eden, (X)
Married by Banns by: John Kirby - Minister
Register: Marriages 1788 - 1812, Page 160, Entry 960
Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 10

Now, what we really need to know is William's baptism details to see if they have common parents and we could be away! There are a coulpe of IGI candidates in 1780 and 1782, so not sure how we progress.
Thoughts anyone.
Chris

At that date you need to be looking around at whatever other documents might be available.

There might be land registers or rent books. Check the National Archives and for Wills http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=7142 There is at least one entry for a Eden in Parr down the list of Wills, although it's an Edward you never know who he might mention so might be useful.

Wow,
thanks to both of you for that!
It does look distinctly possible, doesn't it?
I will see if I can find Ann Eden on IGI and follow the other link for the will too.
Fingers crossed...
Lisa.

Ok, I will order a copy of Edward Eden's will from 1811, as it is possible he might be their father? I'll update when it arrives.

1841 England Census

Civil parish: Prescot
County/Island: Lancashire
Street Address:
Sub-registration district: St Helen
Household Members: Name Age
John Eden 51 born: Lancashire, England
Sarah Eden 46
Thomas Eden 18
Easther Eden 16
Ellen Eden 14
Charles Eden 12
Joseph Eden 10
John Eden 3
Ameleick Eden 3
Mary Eden 18
Elisabeth Eden 12
John Higham 16
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 517; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Prescot; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 7; Folio: 7; Page: 6; Line: 17; GSU roll: 306904.

john eden b.30 mar 1789, farnworth, lancs

parents
thomas eden b.22 apr 1758, st helens, lancs
esther marsh b.5 feb 1761, leigh, lancs

grandparents
Edward Eden Birth 1734 in Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire
Elizabeth Morris Birth 14 Aug 1739 in Wigan, Lancashire, England


ggrandparents
Peter Eden Birth 21 Aug 1702 in Risley, Winwick
Elizabeth Boydell Birth 3 Aug 1703 in Winwick,,Lancashire

Be careful how you sort this out. Another "user" has submitted details about John Eden, definitely the same John since they give the christening at the correct date of 03 MAY 1789 Saint Helens, but also listed is a marriage to Susan Taylor on 17 MAY 1813 St Mary'S, Prescot.

So either he had two marriages or somebody has followed an incorrct John .....

Edited to remove incorrect adding up!

I noticed that...this one does have Sarah as spouse I am trying to check the info for them on OPC will post them as I find them.

Hi everyone,
just to update that I have ordered the will of Edward Eden and will let you know when it arrives.
Lisa.

john eden b.30 mar 1789, farnworth, lancs

parents
thomas eden b.22 apr 1758, st helens, lancs
esther marsh b.5 feb 1761, leigh, lancs

grandparents
Edward Eden Birth 1734 in Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire
Elizabeth Morris Birth 14 Aug 1739 in Wigan, Lancashire, England


ggrandparents
Peter Eden Birth 21 Aug 1702 in Risley, Winwick
Elizabeth Boydell Birth 3 Aug 1703 in Winwick,,Lancashire

Susan,
if you don't mind me asking, where did you get this inormation from? Obviously it takes the line back three more generations so is a rich vein....

Thanks ever so much,
Lisa.

By the way, in my humble opinion, the Susan/Sarah has to be a transcription error somewhere, i.e. there is only one marriage, as the marriage date and place are the same? Am I being too simplistic?

Also, with a dob of 1789, to be married in 1813, John Eden would have been 24, not 14??

IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ British Isles
THO. EDEN Male
Event(s):
Birth: 20 APR 1758
Christening: 07 MAY 1758 Saint Helens, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: EDWD. EDEN
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C036661 1713 - 1787 942.72 K29PR Book 6909473 Film


IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ British Isles
THOMAS EDEN Male
Marriages:
Spouse: ESTHER MARSH
Marriage: 10 APR 1780 Saint Helens, Lancashire, England
Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
M036661 1723 - 1787 0844821 IT 3 Film 6909474 Film
M036661 1788 - 1837 0844821 IT 3 Film NONE



IGI Individual Record FamilySearch™ British Isles
ESTHER MARSH Female
Event(s):
Birth: 14 AUG 1758
Christening: 03 SEP 1758 Saint Helens, Lancashire, England
Parents:
Father: THOS. MARSH
Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C036661 1713 - 1787 942.72 K29PR Book 6909473 Film

Edited my post above - call it a senior moment

hawkeye wrote: By the way, in my humble opinion, the Susan/Sarah has to be a transcription error somewhere, i.e. there is only one marriage, as the marriage date and place are the same? Am I being too simplistic?

I would agree and did comment above on being wary of a "user submitted" entry, however even with extracted entries we always recommend that you view the originals for yourself. Susan has given the film numbers for the LDS library, so if you aren't in the Merseyside area to view them at either the local library (I suspect Prescot might be held in Huyton but check first) or the Record Office, then you will be able to order them at your local LDS centre.

chrisrose wrote:Hi Lisa,
Think we may be on to something here, thanks to Northmeols
This is my William's marriage from Lanc OPC. Church same and Ann Eden is a common witness.

Marriage: 13 Jan 1811 St Mary the Virgin, Prescot, Lancashire, England
William Eden - Collier bachelor of Parr
Ellen Rhoden - (X), spinster of Parr
Witness: Henry Bate, (X); Ann Eden, (X)
Married by Banns by: John Kirby - Minister
Register: Marriages 1788 - 1812, Page 160, Entry 960
Source: LDS Film 1657584 item 10

Now, what we really need to know is William's baptism details to see if they have common parents and we could be away! There are a coulpe of IGI candidates in 1780 and 1782, so not sure how we progress.
Thoughts anyone.
Chris

Hi Chris, I am wondering if your William Eden had a daughter Margaret who married Daniel Halsall?.
Syl

Hi Sylvia,
Long time since I visited this branch of the family, so I'm a bit rusty on them. I'm afraid I haven't pursued any of the children of William and Ellen Rhoden, other than son Henry b 1813. I take it you have a connection?
Chris

Hi Chris, I'm not sure to be honest, my Margaret Eden was my gt.gt. grandmother and I've only ever been able to find her father William Eden. Margaret was born in 1812 and baptised at St. Helens Chapel, she married Daniel Halsall in 1839, having already had 3 children by him by that date. I was hoping that maybe your William and Ellen, were her parents as the marriage date looked pretty good. Maybe at some point I'll be able to confirm it. Thanks anyway Chris.
Syl