Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Is anyone able to look up a Miss Amelia Barber who may have run a school or similar in Aigburth/Grassendale area around 1901. If found, what is the household? Names are not important, just approx. numbers.
Directory entries around that time to give length of residence would also help.
Many thanks for the help which is always forthcoming!
D

Hi Daggers

1901 Census

Address looks like The Coombs, Grassendale Park

Amelia Barber Head age 68 School Mistress
Benjamin Barber brother age 62 Cotton Dealer
Thomas F H Twibell nephew age 35 Stock Brokers Clerk
Mary Barnes servant

Doesn't look like a school tho', just private residence

Cheers
Erika

Erika
That was quick - I turned round to open a window, and the answer was waiting!
That is just what I wanted, and the house was/is certainly not large enough for boarders.
Thank you v. much
D

Hi Daggers
1894 Directory Miss Barber and Benjamin Barber were next door to the Coombs, property named Esplanade.

1911 Miss Amelia is at The Esplanade, no Benj.

I'm wondering if Coombs was incorrect in 1901, the enumerator missing the house name of Esplanade?

Tina

Hi again
1881 Amelia in Grass. Park no house or number as Head of Ladies School. With her are Benj & her young nephew, cook & waitress.
Perhaps she was in charge of a school locally and not in her home.

1861 would you like details Daggers, her bro is head of house Clergyman/Schoolmaster & there are 3 pupils.

Cheers
Tina

Tina
Great stuff!
Esplanade is the name of a riverside road, rather than a house name, and is round the corner from the road where The Coombs stands.
Was the brother [clergyman etc] the same as Benjamin, the cotton dealer?
Could you let me have the 1861 details, please. Was the house called The Coombs then?
D

Hi Daggers


Have been trying to find Amelia in 1891 without success.

Found The Coombs tho' with a Betsy Harrison being the head of household. It is also giving the address as 1 Grassendale Road.
Looked through all the houses in Grassendale Road, but no sign of the Barbers.

The enumerators writing is tiny and the name may have been transcribed incorrectly. I looked at Barker, any other ideas of a name it could have been transcibed as?

Cheers
Erika

Found them in 1891

Living in Grassendale Park, no name for house, but between The Groves and Fairholme.

She has her brother and nephew and 2 domestic servants living there too.
Transcribed as Berber


Cheers
Erika

Good wombating Erika, well done!

Hi Daggers
You will like 1861 as dear old Mum is alive & diffo bro to Benj.
Grassendale Park no house number or name
Head Thomas Barber 31 unm bn Lpl Clergyman/Schoolmaster
Mother Mary Barber 55 wid bn Prescot
Sisters Susannah 30, Amelia 28, Elizabeth 24, brother Samuel 20 all bn Lpl no occupations listed.
3 male pupils
1 servant/cook
1 housemaid

If you would like 1851 give me a bell.
It looks like Amelia is a Governess in Ches.
The others in Mt Pleasant.

Cheers
Tina

Tina
Yes please - 1851 would round it off. It is the house I am looking into, and it is hard to find out when it was built, as the enumerators did not always use house names, and this lot were not numbered until much later. Possibly built by '51, but not '41.

Even Steven in the Ashes, so far! Raining here in the Pool, so may have nothing to watch later.
D

1851 35 Oxford St Mt Pleasant

Mary Barber wid 47 bn Prescot
Susanna 20 Instructress, Benjamin 12 Samuel 10 Mary Jane 7 all bn Lpol.
1 cook/1housemaid.
1851 Amelia 18 Governess in Bruen Stapleford Ches
to farmer Hignett and all his littlies.

1871 The Rectory Elmsett Suffolk
Thomas Barber 41 Rector of Elmsett
Mother Mary wid 69
Samuel 30 "under glergyman" other letters cannot read.

1881 Elmsett Suffolk
Thomas Barber bn Lpool Clergyman
Samuel 40 bn Lpl Clergyman
Mary J sister 37 bn Lpool

Mary J is the sister from earlier census aged 7yrs.

Tina

Thanks again, Tina. Most pieces of my puzzle now filled in.
D

You're welcome Daggers.

Tina

Tina
Can I ask if you have time to look in the 1871 census for the following names, found in Green's 1870 Directory of Liverpool with addresses in Grassendale Park.
What I am after is the order of enumeration, in other words, to try and locate the various houses in Grassendale Park, and to track the house names which varied over the years.
If this is too big an ask, let me know. I do not want to wear out anyone who sat through the agonies of yesterday's Test Match!!!
Green’s 1870 Directory has the following entries showing Grassendale Park as address, in pp 606 ff:

Campbell, Lord A Salem Villa
Hughes, Miss Mary Ann Mitford Lodge
Hutchinson, Joseph Lime House
Goodacre, Charles Welton
Kershaw, Wm
Larner, Charles
Leyland, Ralph
Pohlman, Wm
Moss, Sydney
Saunders, Wm
Sutton, HG
Swainson, John South Bank, Grassendale [not Park]
Watts, Joseph AD
Lakin, Samuel School
Rimmer park keeper

Daggers

Hi Daggers
Is your email still ..blueyonder?
If so I'll send a copy thro Anc#

Cheers
Tina

Yes. Thank you once again.
D

Hi Daggers
I've sent 2 from Anc@, not sure if you will get them okies.
Please let me know.
The two I've sent have house numbers not names of homes.
If all else fails, I will print and send snail mail

Cheers
Tina

Tina
I have just the one from Anc..., showing numbers 1-5, timed at 11.30 our time. Helpful even though it is house numbers, not named houses. Please do not think of sending by snail - too complicated, not to mention the cost!
Needless to say, your message was surrounded by adverts wanting me to sign up...
D

Hi Richard
I didn't know I could save them to my computer.
I've just sent pages 3/4/5 as an attachment.
Fingers crossed you can open them.

Best wishes
Tina

Tina
Uncross those fingers - all received and very welcome. You're a star - one of the Southern Cross?
I am most grateful
Daggers