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Any help would be gratfull.Mr Michael Doyle born 1837 Corramacorra Wexford/Eir.Father Patrick.Came to Liverpool as child.We have the marriges of Michael etc.Came across the new site on your forum/R/C marriges .On the site was school admissions for STFrancis Xaiviers Michael age13 william age 11.No parents name entered ocu /Sewer .address given 7 ST Oswald ST. Could this be Michael as a child We have not traced Patrick or his family in Liverpool we have Michael ln the 1881 cencus mountpleasant Liverpool.thanks sue

The short answer is yes, if the family lived at St Oswald Street the children could well have attended St Francis Xaviers school, the location is correct.

The longer answer is that without the admission dates to the school to match up with the childrens dates of birth, we couldn't give our best judgement.

I noticed that on the 1881 census there are five Michael Doyles, of approximately the correct age, born Ireland and living in Liverpool. As we don't know which one is yours, please give the full details from this census.

There isn't an 1850 census, I presume you mean 1851? If you already have the details from the in between censuses (1871 and 1861) please also give those since this information is often invaluable to pinpoint the correct family.

You should also give the date of his marriage and his wife's name.

Please can you give full details for 1881 census then we can take it from there.
Best wishes

Tina

Thank you forum members for your reply. Michael Doyle b/1837 ire son of Patrick married Alice Grady ST Francis xaviers church 1862 had 3 children /HUE MARGRET MICHAEL. second wife Alice Keefe had 2 children/Laurence Joseph married 1871 ST Francis xaviers. 1871cencus Michael Doyle age 34. William Doyle 26.HUE Margret Miichael Alice Keefe housekeeper lived in kirby street.1881Chatham place livedMichael Alice Hue Margret Michael Laurence Joseph children of Michael.Have not yet found him further back in liverpool wedo not no when or who arrived with him. William is with him in 1871 cencus also is wittness for marriage to Alice Keefe query as to the school admission no info given to parent also no date births one week to christmass. The address given to the school was it an orphange.Would be gld of any help thanks sue.

the admission date to the school was11 dec 1854. Michael age 13.William.age11.thanks

Hi Sue
Wishing you all the best with your search.

Here's 1891 as a starting point.
8 Mulberry St, Abercromby
Michael 54 bn Ire gatekeeper
Alice 47 bn Ire
Margaret 25, Michael 24 gas fitter, Lawrence 16 porter, Joseph 10 all bn Lpl. John Dempsey nephew 21 gatekeeper bn Ire

1881 as listed by Sue
Michael, Alice, Hugh 17, Margt 15, Michael 14, Lawrence 6, Joseph 0.

Here is 1871 Kirby? St Everton
Michael Doyle 34 widr butcher bn Wexford? Ire
Hugh 7, Margaret 5, Michael 4,
William Doyle boarder butcher 24 married no spouse bn Wexford? Ire
Alice Keefe 27 unm housekeeper bn Wexford Ire.

Birth Hugh Patrick Doyle sep qtr Lpool 1863
8b 193

I hope this is of help to the forum.

Tina

I have a few further questions please.

You presumably have Michael's father's name - Patrick, from his marriage certificate? Does it say deceased by his name? If so was this on the certificate for his first marriage or the second?

Are you assuming that William (born approximately 1845) to be Michael's brother? William was born in Ireland when Michael would have been approximately 8 years old.

What evidence do you have that he came to Liverpool as a child, presumably if he did he would have come with parents and could that narrow down the timescale? ie after 1845.

I notice that the admission date of the two boys that you found entering St Francis Xaviers was 1854, I wonder if this could be the time when they came to Liverpool from Ireland? The fact that there is an occupation suggests that there might have been a parent, sewer sounds as if it might be the mother, perhaps there was no father at that date.

The birth dates would be worked out from the ages given - ie Michael 13 years and William 11 years 5 months, as at 11th December, 1854.

You mention Michael's birthplace as Corramacorra Wexford. Is this from family legends or do you have any firm evidence on this point? It might be worth your while joining the Rootsweb mailing list for Wexford as you might get some help discovering the church that would cover the area and the possibility of discovering their baptisms.

Just thoughts and suggestions really at this stage.