Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

With all your help,
I have Peter Lunt 1789?, buried 1835 St Helens Sefton HAVE FOUND Great grandfather was buried,St Helens Sefton 1882.

Please, HOW CAN I , find out who was PETER LUNT'S father circa 1898?
I do not know now what do do!! or where to go.
Elsa-Mary

Hi hun start again

whos dad are we looking for

Peter Lunt born 1898 ?? if so where was he born.. do you have a mothers name for him and siblings ??

xx

I get the feeling Elsa-Mary means Peter born 1798.

At that sort of date you need to be looking around to see what other documentation there might be for your family - Wills, Rent or Land Registers, Apprenticeship documents, Freemens Registers.

I don't know what there might be available at an LDS Centre, but it would be worth your while finding the nearest to you and asking them what they might be able to obtain for you, the charges aren't great for a film.

Hi

What do you know about Peter?

The burial register will list his age - what is it? Any other information given such as abode etc

Who was he married to and where? does the marriage entry give any clues ie witness names, where they of the parish they got married in? was the marriage by licence if so information about the licence might help

What were the children's names they may help sort out a possible father? Where were the children baptised?

Have you checked Sefton baptisms and the churches round about? Are the family definitely Cof E or could they be RC if so check Little Crosby and Ince Blundell RC churches?

Is his wife still living in the 1841 and 1851 censuses if so do the census entries give any useful info.

Did he leave a will?

What was his occupation? This would be given on the children's baptisms.
An all round picture of Peter may help to find out who he was.

Ed officer

HELLO,

ABSOLUTELY
,spot on Mary, Collette, thank you
,Problem is -------------I am in SPAIN,and I have tried every which way----- do noT know Peter's mother's name.
ARGH
Do not know how to even guess!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just thought maybe you guys could try to point me in right direction--bearing in MIND,I cannot search Liverpool records physically!!Why are my Lunts so awkward???
Why are there so few people related to Lunt searching??
Apart from Mary--are We the only Lunt family left in Liverpool?????


Elsa-Mary

Hi Education Officer,
Did not mean to pass you over--found your mail after the others!!


Peter was married to Mary Clegg,l circa 1820,he died 1835,and was buried in St Helens cemetry,as was his son- my great-grandfather Peter died 1882.( he married twice, firt in 1858 to Jane Fleming-she died, Then to Mary Ann Morris in 1866)
Living in Spain, I cannot find out who his parents were,I assume rightly or wrongly???,perhaps still in Sefton area,BUT WHO???

Bless you all for trying
Elsa-Mary

Hi

www.familysearch.org have Sefton baptisms to 1780 the BVRI has then from then on. There is no Peter Lunt in them so I think you need to spread the net further to the surrounding churches. I feel you need a church that is not on the IGI (family search) or on the BVRI as he doesn't appear on them.


I really feel you need to know more about Peter and his family. Have you got the answers to my suggested questions? If not I really feel you need to get them. I think Crosby library have some St Helens registers and they are definitely at Lancashire Record Office.

Are there LDS family history centres in Spain? If so you could get to see a copy of the St Helen's registers there. If not how about a research trip to the UK? Easyjet to Liverpool that is if you do flying I don't!

My only other thought is as I think it'll be a trawl round the churches (as he appears a few times on the IGI as a submitted entry as if noone knows where he's from) that you might have to pay someone to do a couple of hours research for you. The society could suggest people who have reasonable rates.

Ed officer

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp

Choose "Library" then "Family History Centres", enter "Spain" and search. You will then get a list of approximately 55 centres throughout Spain. Most give a telephone number and many give hours of opening, some by appointment, others have certain days and hours, even evenings.

If you managed to get to just one of them the staff have usually been very well trained in what there is available on film. There are catalogues for you to check for availability for the area you have an interest in. My suggestion above may have seemed daft, searching a centre in a foreign country for local records, but they will order in any films that you identify, at a reasonable price - here in England it is less than £3 per film, I believe. Don't limit yourself to thinking about Parish Registers, although obviously burials and baptisms may well be your starting point, the LDS have an enormous volume of documents available and without even looking at the catalogue we can't even dream of how many.

I believe they hold indexes to Wills and if you were able to find one that you think would be of interest to you then you are able to order these online, there are links for this on our Websites board. Ask about Poor Rates Books, Removal Orders, Settlement Orders, Church Minutes - they might have owned/rented a Pew.

Don't look at just your direct line, look at other families in the area and see if there's any chance of connecting them to yours to get more clues. I always quote the instance when I discovered the Will for a Lunt I just knew wasn't in my line but I was curious. However on reading it he mentioned my ancestor's name as being his brother!! It did mean that a lot of my research was inaccurate, but just that one little clue, from a place I might never have thought to look, gave me a whole new lead.

Many of us on this board don't have access to the Record Office, if I manage to get there it's like a Feast Day for me as I have to book a holiday from work and arrange for others to care for family members, tasks I usually do myself. Others, like yourself live in other countries, Australia, America etc. or even other parts of the United Kingdom precludes personal visits to William Brown Street. Because of this, my own line is stopped at present C1780 but I'm attempting to do what I can online - a sort of One Name Study of the Lunts from the 1841 census, a job that will take me years, but I'm suspecting that somewhere I will find a clue, I just don't know where or when it will turn up.

I'm hoping the above will give you some ideas for what you can do for yourself, as the alternative might well be a private researcher, as our Education Officer has suggested.

As far as a lack of researchers is concerned, put yourself out there, upload a basic tree to Genes Reunited, make contact with others wherever you see the name mentioned. Apart from yourself I have been in contact with about a dozen other Lunt researchers, during the past five years, two of them only last year and I was able to put them in contact with each other as they had the same line although they didn't know it, and I've done the same with others in the past too. I have details of your tree on file and if I ever came across somebody with even a possible link to your ancestors I would hopefully pass your details on also.

Good luck and don't give up.

Just as a PS, while I was looking for something else I came across an entry in a LONDON telephone directory dated 1929. I know you have soap manufacturers in your family so I thought this might be of interest to you.

Lunt, Peter & Co. Ltd., Soapmakers
79 Mark Lane, E.C.3.
Tel. No. ROYal 3891

Do you know if your family moved to London and continued their trade?

If the soap manufacturer is related to your line, have you checked the National Archives site.

There is reference to misc records Date range: 1900 - 2000 held at the National Museums Liverpool: Maritime Archives and Library. GB/NNAF/C101281 (Former ISAAR ref: GB/NNAF/B2034)

Also mention of ROYAL - TITLE ROYAL AND ROYAL ARMS: Title Royal: Peter Lunt and Co Ltd: effigy of King Edward VIII on coronation souvenir soap tablet; refused. Date 1936. Reference 695172. Held by The National Archives, Kew

I wonder if you contacted these repositories might they be willing to post you copies?

Hi Mary,
Sorry have been so busy this end getting house ready for sale,that I have neglected to check my Liverpool mail--must have forgotten to tick box--duh!! senior moment

I have seen that bit of archive material, and I suspect that that Peter maybe my grandfather's ( James Peter Lunt) nephew.
As yet not got to that side,
Still trying to find the grandparents burial place in N Ireland.
May have some news tomorrow on that, I hope so as I feel then I will move on .

Apologies my Dear.
Thanks
Elsa-Mary

Hi Elsa-Marie

can I just check who we are looking for here.

Am I correct in thinking you want to find the father of the Peter Lunt who was born in 1798 and who died in 1885?

Is this the same Peter Lunt on the IGI who married Mary Clegg? (married 02/10/1820 - Sefton). This Peter has the same birth and death dates in Sefton so I presume he is the same man.

If we can clear up who we are looking for then we might be able to have a good look for him.


Tony

Hi Tony,
The LUNT I should like to find is the FATHER of Peter Lunt BORN 1798 ISH.

The Peter Lunt born 1798 did indeed marry Mary Clegg about 1820 and died 1835,it's HIS father I I am unable to find .

Peter Lunt 1798 is buried in St Helen's graveyard as well as his son(guess his name PETER born 1832 died 1882.

I am sorry if I did not make it clear,I guess I get carried away

Elsa-Mary[/b]

Hi Elsa -Mary
I had a good look for you on a few sites without any success; sorry. I know others far more experienced than me have looked before.

You've probably come across this site already which has lots of Lunts born, married and buried in St.Helens church.
http://www.lunt-family.co.uk/online/pafg04.htm#3124

The thought occured to me that your Peter b.1798 may belong to one of these families and has just been missed off. I've got quite a few of my own who have been absent from the published Parish records/IGI and yet, on the actual Parish records, there they are alive and well. Well... not quite.

Good Luck

Tony