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Is there any way i can check who was living at this address in 1908/1909i though i had found William Wheeler wife Jane who died 6th July 1909 but there must have been two William Wheeler`s who married  a Jane as this one states she is a widow

many thanks Marlow Mag




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researching Ravenscroft Knight Holmes Borris Burke Parry Wheeler
all Liverpool

Not much help Mags
In 1911 Directory 87 & 89 was a lodging house
Hy Dacey was the landlord.

Tina

Thanks Tina Jane died in the Liverpool workhouse which is sad
she states she is a widow her husband William Wheeler was a general labourer the William Wheeler i am looking for was a seaman he was grandma`s 3rd husband she married him in 1909

many thanks
marlow mag

Hi Mags
Am I right in thinking she was Johanna? prev married as Ravenscroft to Wm Borris in 1895?
1909 as Borris to Wheeler?

Thanks
Tina

Hi Tina yes Johannah was William Bradburn Wheeler 3rd husband they married in 1909 but i have just found Johannah had a daughter Alice by William in 1907 sad to say Alice diedin 1914 age 7 i am curious to know why they did not marry earlier that is why i am researching his 1st wife who i thought was Jane Preston
best wishes Maggie

Marlow mag

Hi there..

In 1901 are they at 57 Upper Beau St ?? sons John and Thomas ??

Do you have the marriage cert for this William & Jane ??

Do you have the marriage cert for Wiliam & Johanna ??

Does Williams age tally up with both marriages..

Who is bridde no 2 if Johanna was bride no 3 ???

Is it the same fathers name and occupation on both certs ??

Sorry for all the questions bt need a bit more info..

Regards

I am worried that the Jane Preston marriage just says William and the Johanna Borris nee Ravenscrost says William B...

Hi Colette
Johanna Borris nee Ravenscroft married William Bradburn Wheeler 17th Oct.1909 (2nd wife)
William Bradburn Wheeler married his sister in law Margaret Wheeler
10th July 1922( 3rd wife)
William is living at 49 upper Beau street in 1901 with Jane Wheeler age 30 and sons john 4 & Thomas 18 months
Jane wheeler died age 38 1909 states she is a widow
1911 census Johanna Wheeler is living at 5 Lundie street with Reginald (son from 2nd marriage) John Wheeler age 13 Thomas W age 11 and Alice W age 4 no mention of William but i presume he was at sea as he is a seaman
i do have these certificates but i do not have Williams 1st marriage certificate but i think it was 1896 at St Peters church Liverpool
many thanks
marlow mag membership 2176

Hi

Why if shes your Jane has someone put down a widow on her death cert..also did she have an address other than the workhouse infirmary, on the death cert ??

If she is Jane and Widow is a mistake it didn't take William long to move on and remarry did it..

It confirms its the same family as you have the two boys with Johanna in 1911.

Regards

Hi folks
Thinking out loud.
I had thought Jane who died in the workhouse was the wrong one however I cannot find another in 1901.
As for her being a widow, I've no idea.
It's possible she had been in the infirmary for a number of years before she died, William during this time taken up with Johanna who has his child.
Jane dies in Sep 1909 & Wm & J marry in Dec 1909, waiting for her death?
Which would explain while little Alice W (4 in 1911) was born before marriage.

Chat later
Tina

Hi

Liverpool workhouse admissions' registers etc are at Liverpool Record Office. You could find her admission etc that way which hopefully/might prove she's your lady.

Ed officer

Many thanks Ed O...

Tina

Hi everyone i wondered if William could not marry Johanna because his 1st wife was stiil alive and not divorced that is why i checked 1909
Jane died 6th July 1909 and William remarried on 17th Oct 1909
on Janes Death certificate it is signed by the governor of the Liverpool workhouse widow of William Wheeler of 87 Soho street she died through Tubercular peritonitis is that TB William married Jane March 1896 Williams father was also called William he was a ships steward perhaps i could request a look up next time some kind person offers look ups
i wiil check out the Liverpool workhouse
this family history research certainly throws up some sad tales

many thanks for your help
marlow mag

Hi Mags
It doesn't seem be related to TB.
Possibly a few causes, tumour in the intestines, fallopian tubes.
Results in high fever, bloated stomach etc.
Or problem in various tubes, causing the trots.
Treated today with anti bio's.

You're right mate, the address in Soho St is the clue.
Was it a lodging house at that time?
Why was Jane listed as a widow?

I'm sure the crew will agree that you should post a separate link for your look up request, to catch the eye of the regular kind people who go to LRO.
William Wheeler to Jane Preston, St Peters 1896
march qtr Lpool 8b p50.

Back then people sometimes waited 3 months, as a mark of respect, before re-marrying.

This is a good 'un!

Tina

Hi Tina i have decided to send for Janes marriage certificate curiosity is getting the better of me will let you know the result

Marlow mag

Hi everyone i have just received the marriage certificate .William Wheeler
is my William Bradburn Wheeler age 28 who married Jane Preston age 32 on 4th March 1896 in the parish church Liverpool her father was John Preston occupation baker both of them give the address as S.Anne street
Liverpool
Is there 2 Jane Prestons as the age given on Janes death certificate is 38
which does not match up!!!!!!
perhaps the mystery is in the workhouse records would the records be easy to look up
marlow mag

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I have just found another Jane Wheeler died June 1907 W. Derby Liverpool age 54 but the age does not match up with my Jane who would have been born 1864!!!!!!!

Marlow mag