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Hi
(very sunny here today)
Wonder if anyone can help me find the marriage of Thomas Myers and Mary Faithurst.
In 1841 they are living in Long Lane Ashton in Makerfield. They have a daughter Elizabeth aged 5 and a daughter Jane aged 6 months. Haven't found Elizabeth's baptism but have Jane's at St Thomas' Ashton in Feb 1841. 1851 census has them in Standish with 2 more children, my gt grandmother Esther (b 1843) and Robert b 1850. Thomas gives his place of birth as Standish and Mary as Ashton. Their ages across censuses suggest birth dates around 1815. Their marriage could be Ashton, Standish or Winwick, but I haven't been able to find anything. Given the age of eldest child it would be around 1835 I expect.
Suspect Thomas may be the son of William and Betty Myers baptised St Wilfred's Standish in 1816.
Grateful for any help.
Thanks
Chris

Hi

Have a look on www.lan-opc.org.uk site. This is the Lancashire online parish clerks site. It has transcription of events at St Thomas' church. You will find baptisms of other children oc the couple and sadly a burial.

Unfortunately no marriage at St Thomas Ashton, St Wilfrid Standish or St oswald Winwick. they're all on the site.

Ed officer

PS I guess this is your marriage from www.familysearch.org

Thomas MOYERS married Mary FAIRHURST 19 November 1835 at Wigan

I looked this marriage up on www.lan-opc.org.uk and it isn't listed so I think you really need to check it

Thanks Ed Officer
I'd already flogged the opc site to death but to no avail. That was how I found some of the other children of the couple. Not sure that St Thomas' has marriages for the right date.
Not sure how I missed the familysearch marriage, which I think is the correct one - just goes to show how we all need another pair of eyes (my excuse is that I've spent the morning at the opticians ordering new glasses)
Haven't been able to trace the relevant chuch in Wigan. None of those on opc have it.
May have to ask for a look up as I'm out of the area. Any idea which office would hold those records?
Thanks again for your help.
Chris

Hi

Looking on the batch number for the marriage on the Hugh Wallis site that gives batch numbers for the films the IGI uses I suspect that it is Wigan Parish Church. Their registers are at Wigan History Shop. However there is a copy of the BTs (Bishop Transcripts up to 1844) at Lancashire Record office. It'd be worth asking for a look up when someone goes to Lancashire Record Office.

I shall probably go in the not too distant future and will put up the fact on the forum.

Ed officer

Thanks
Would you believe it, All Saints Wigan marriage records on the Lanc OPC stop at August 1835!
Just my luck
Chris

Hi
I know this is an oldish thread (I found it through googling Thomas Myers)but I thought I would respond in case you are still looking into the Standish Myers's and maybe you can help my understanding.

I’ve been doing some work on my family tree lately (using ancestry.com DavidMyers142) and concentrating on the Myers family from Standish of which I think I am a direct descendent on the male line.

Here’s what I’ve found that might tie in with your research.

I’ve found a marriage of William Myers and Elizabeth Mason (England and Wales Marriages, 1538 to 1940) on 7 Sept 1812 at Standish, Lancashire.

In the 1841 census I can find only one family living in Standish that fits the bill and the name appears to by Myars rather than Myers. The Family is living in School Lane Standish and consists of Betty (45/1794 Spinster) and her children Jane (25/1816), Thomas (20/1821) Mary (15/1826) Esther (15/1826) John (13/1828) and Richard (10/1831). From this I had assumed that William was dead by 1841. I have found no trace of him thereafter in census data.

I have found Standish baptism records with William and Betty Myers as parents for Thomas (5 May 1816), Betty (29 August 1819), Robert (25 Feb 1821), Mary (30 Mar 1823) and Mary (17 Oct 1824). These seem to tie to the 1841 census assuming that Betty (1819) had married/died, Thomas’s age had been rounded down to 20 in the census , Mary (1823) had died (see later) and Mary (1824) had been rounded down to 15 in the census .

I’ve now found the record of Thomas Mayers/Myers (25/1816) living in Ashton with Mary (25/1816), Elizabeth (5/1836) and Jane (6mths/1840) – thanks!

By 1851 there appears to be no record of Thomas or Mary Myers/Mayers living in Ashton. Betty Myers (1793) is living at 7 Engine Row, Standish with daughter Esther (1826) and son John (1828) which seems to tie back to the 1841 record above.

A Myers family has appeared at Piccadilly St Standish, headed by Thomas (43/1808!! born Standish) with wife Mary (30/1821 born in Ashton) and children Elizabeth (14/1837), Jane (10/1841), Esther (7/1844) and Robert (1/1850). This ties in with the 1841 Ashton record for Elizabeth and Jane but the ages of Mary and, particularly Thomas don’t tie up. Thomas also doesn’t tie up with the one living with Betty in 1841.

By 1861 there is an “Elizh” (1794) living alone in Standish – this may be Betty. There is also a family headed by Thomas Myers (45/1816 – wid’r) living in Engine Row, Standish. There is no sign of Mary but two sons Robert (11/1850) and William (7/1854). This may tie back to the 1851 record – I can find no other candidates – through Robert although Thomas’s age is not consistent.

I can find no record of Thomas after 1861. It is possible that his daughter Elizabeth (1837) married James Finch as the 1871 census shows Elizebeth (sic) (35/1836) and James Finch living at Engine row with a “boarder” Robert Myers (21/1850).

Finally, there is a grave in Standish cemetery for William and Betty Myers but no dates are visible. Also in the grave is Mary (14 Feb 1824) which explains the two Marys baptised by William and Betty.
This all leaves a couple of questions?

If the Thomas Mayers/Myers in Ashton is a son of William and Betty (c1794) then why was there a Thomas living with Betty Myars/Myers in Standish?

Why was the age of Thomas Myers in 1851 given as 43? Could this have been a transposition error – maybe he was 34!

Cheers
Dave

Whew Dave, I think I need a lie down. Some of this sounds very familiar although I think WIlliam and Betty are new to me. Need to go back and check up my records. Will be back later (or more likely tomorrow).
Chris

How silly was that I mentioned William and Betty in my first post
Definitely need to lie down