Help to find William Molyneux 1841 and 1851 census please

[slewis]

Hi
Please can you help, I am looking for William Molyneux born abt 1823 Liverpool.
I have found him in 1861 living in Northamton street, Liverpoold, his occupation was Rigger, and in 1881 living at 5 Gasccoyne street occupation Rigger.
William married Elizabeth Collier in 1849 the children I have found so far are Elizabeth born abt 1849 and John born abt 1855, and that is all the infomation I have on him.
If any one can help find him I would really apprciate it.
Regards Sue

[MaryA]

In 1861 daughter Elizabeth A is either 2 or 5 years old, making her born either 1859 or 1856.

Are you aware that there is also a James Molyneux boarding with the next door family. He's 28 unmarried and a porter, born Liverpool. If you think he might be related, maybe it will help finding them earlier.

The 1881 census also says that he's been "Parilised 25 years" in case you hadn't seen the image.

I think you will need to get the marriage certificate to identify his father before we can find him earlier.

[colette]

Hi Mary..& Sue

Checked Northampton St and Gascoyne St in 1871 can't see them there..at either..

I saw the John you mention

hes at 19 Northampton St in 1871 aged 37 b Lpool wife Margaret age 27 Son dau Eliza age 7 and son John age 5..

Same names as William names his two kids.. i was thinking if he married in 1849 surley there must be more kids

Regards

[Tina]

Hi crew
I can't make out what it says in 1861 for Elizabeth A.
Could you please have a squiz?
Transcribed as 25 wid?? or is she 5?
What does the 9 etc mean?
RG9/2669/62/28

1881 Elzbth & Wm have a John with them, nephew bn 1865, son of John & Margaret?

Tks

Tina

[MaryA]

Not a clue about the 9, not even sure that it didn't start out as a 1 with a circle added on later, but even the age isn't clear as to whether it should be 5 or 2.

How on earth William can do a job as rigger if he's paralysed, amazes me.

The date of the marriage and the age of the children don't really add up with me either Colette.

Sue can you confirm whose birth certificate you got the mother's name from and let us have the details - date of birth, father's occupation and address.

[slewis]

Hi Mary, Colett and Tina
Thank you for the help, no I didn't see that William was parilised, as you said how could he be a Rigger.
On his son John wedding certificate it also say's Rigger for father occupation, John married in 1879 age 25

I did see James age 28 I think he could be related.

I got the info with wife name and age of children from an old aunt, who started to look at this side of the family history a long time ago, ( I should have check it out first ) I think I will have to send for John birth crtificates my self and go from there.

The IGI has a Elzabeth Anna Christening: 15 JAN 1854 St Nicholas, Liverpool and birth 14 Dec 1855, also John Christening: 15 JAN 1854 St Nicholas, so Mary you were spot on with Elizabeth age.
Thank you all for your time and help I do appreciate it
Kind regard Sue

[colette]

Hi all

I too think that nephew John born c1866 is the son of John & Margaret.. so that makes John ..William's brother John was born c 1834 and William c 1824.. so gotta be other siblings for these two.. at a push i would say their mother was called Eliza.. seen as though both men call their daughters Eliza. I'm not saying this as fact but guessing really..

As to there whereabouts in 1851 & 1871..they should be in the same area as they haven't gone far from Northanmpton St to Gascoyne St.

Regards

[colette]

Hi what was John's address when he married in 1879 ???


Regards

[colette]

Hi in 1881

William & Elizabeth are living with their daughter and husband in Gascoyne St

George Sutton age 33 b Lpool Carter
Elizabeth Ann age 25 b Lpool b 1856
Dau Charlotte age 3
Son William age 1

George Sutton's parents were John & Charlotte, George & Elizabeth Ann married in 1877.

Regards

[slewis]

Hi Colett
John's address in 1879 was Vauxhall rd for both him and his new wife
Thanks for the help Sue

[slewis]

Hi Colett
I have just looked again at the 1881 census and yes you are right, what a star you are I now know who Elizabeth married thank you.
Kind regards Sue

[colette]

Hiya

That another line you can look into now the Sutton Line, its baffling me as to the whereabouts of them in 51 & 71..Have you found any info on Elizabeth Collier's family at all.. they could be living with her folks in 51.

Regards

[colette]

Hi

I think i may have found William in 1841 but need a few people to take a look..

Class: HO107; Piece 555; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 14; Folio: 13; Page: 20; Line: 19; GSU roll: 306937.



Name: Ellen Molymund
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1779
Gender: Female
Where born: Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
Hundred: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Dale Street
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Dodd 26
Sarah Dodd 25
Ellen Holland 6
Ellen Molymund 62
Betty Molymund 20
John Molymund 19
Willer Molymund 17 (this guy here)
Thos Molymund 3 weeks

They seem to be living by Ray St & Highfield St.. so its the right area

Cheers

[simone]

Hi Col

Well done Looks like Molyneux to me.

Was thinking they may be in Prussia Street though Can see Ray St on page before and after, but looking at image it doesn't look like that for the one they are in. So... read the enumerators description and I think the name of the Road on the left hand side of the image could be Prussia St.. under where it says Cellar

Simone x.

[colette]

Hi

I had a look around Reason Court Ray St in 1851 just to see where there any Molyneux's floating about there.. but there wasn't.. If William was the son of Ellen she must have died by 1851..

There is a John Molyneux --Ellen Hall marriage in Liverpool St Peters 1801

Theres a few John and Ellen births sometimes saying Hall sometimes not.
There is a William born 1824 St Peters & John 1822 St Peters..

I know the John we found with Margaret was born later than this 1833ish.. but we can't be sure he was connected to your William.. I have noticed a few Molyneux's living around the Howard St Ward..


Regards

[simone]

Ahhhh, Reason Court, that looks like it

Simone x

[simone]

children of John Mollineux and Ellen baptised at St Peter's are

John 3/3/1822
William 25/1/1824
Charles 7/12/1817

Simone x

[colette]

Hi theres John & Ellen Molyneux in Gascoyne St 1861,1871 John dead by 1871. he was born c 1818..dont know if he could be a coinsidence or the brother..

Kids names
Elizabeth
Margaret
Ellen
John
George
Mary
Martha

Just making a reference to theses in case they crop up later..


Its doing my head in not being able to find William & Elizabeth in 1851 or 1871..Somehow i dont think Elizabeth was from Liverpool Collier is a name thats in abundance in the Leigh area Lancashire..Can't see her in 1841 in Liverpool.

XX

[colette]

Hiya

Elizabeth Ann remarried in 1898 to William Darlington a Bricklayer from West Derby..

They are living in West Derby in 1901, she had a few children to first hubby George Sutton..
Charlotte Sutton 1878
William .. 1880
John ..1883
George ..1885
Elizabeth ..1888
Richard.. 1890

xx

[slewis]

HiColette and Simone
Again thank you for your time and help.

If and it look's good to me the family in 1841 is William's, the brother John born in 1822 could have died and mother Ellen had another son named John, its possible.
Thank you also for all the info on Elizabeth and her family.

I have just sent off for William' son John Molyneux born 1854 birth certificate to confirm Elizabeth maiden name, as now I am begining to think its Not Collier, as my aunt said when I get the certificate I wlllet you know.
Thankyou so much kind regards
Sue