Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hello folks,

I wonder if anyone would be amazingly kind and look up a marriage for me please, if they're in the locality of LRO?

The details are as follows :

Q: July August September 1882
Edge Hill, Christ Church
William Henry Burns married Sarah Robertson.

Hopefully, William's father should be one rather notorious Harriman Burns and William may be a widow at that stage too.

The William is my great, great grandfather if the details above are confirmed. I recently found him on the 1891 census with this new wife's name, previously he'd been married to a Mary Ann Thompson, though I can find no trace of their marriage anywhere.

Normally I'd go myself but I'm laid low with a heart complaint at the moment sadly....

Thank you everyone for your time and kindest regards to you all.

Info as follows 7 aug
william age 22 joiner 37 molyneux rd father william john burns cabinet maker
sarah age 22 65 empire st james robertson brass finisher
witness john robertson and elaine taylor Irene

Thank you so much for your kind help, I really, really appreciate it.

That rules that out for me then, pity he he. The search goes on!

Thank you so much once again and kindest regards...

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I have just looked up Harriman Burns and son William was aged 15 on the 1861 census and b Liverpool.

1891 as follows: - originally indexed as Rams - all b Liverpool

William 46 house painter
Sarah Ann 34
Henry 21
Eliza 20
Lucy 12

In 1881 he is married to Mary Ann aged 28 and the only freebmd death was in Sept 1881 but that Mary Ann Burns was 32

Eldest child in 1881 was b 1868/69 but I can't find a marriage to a Mary A Thompson

Hi Carole
With regard to the death you found for Mary A.
In 1871 she is listed as 25yrs of age bn Manchester.
So something is way out, therefore it could be her death if no one knew exactly how old she was...

Good luck
Tina

Next time i go to the lro i will check again william,s age does not match on marr cert and the census carol found out by 15 yrs Irene

Hi let me run this by everyone, the harriman and william 1861 are young wills grandfather and uncle, on the 1851 cesus there is a harriman senior born 1816 and harriman jnr born 1842/3 which i think is williams father. still looking for them on a census together i think we have two different families or the wrong wedding cert Irene

Too early to have them together on the 1841 census. Transcribed Harrison but definitely is Harriman.

Drayton St/Collingwood Street, St Martin, Liverpool
Harriman Burns 25 Painter No
John 1 Yes
Eliza 20 Yes
HO107; Piece 563; Book: 4; Enumeration District: 9; Folio: 38; Page: 16; Line: 20

Apologies for the delayed response to this thread, and thanks to everyone for your help thus far...

The mystery goes on really. And I'll start at the very beginning of this query....

My Great Grandmother was Emma Burns - born circa 1880 in Liverpool apparently. I've been unable to trace a birth cert for her at this stage.

Her marriage entry from the parish records lists her father as William Burns, Painter.

On the 1881 census Emma is listed with her father William Burns, born c1845, her mother Mary A Burns born c1853 in Manchester and a few other kids, Henry, Edward, Eliza and Lucy Burns.

I have Henry's birth certificate. He was born William Henry Burns on 19/12/1868 at 3 Sutcliffe St, Manchester - mother Mary Ann Thompson.

I cannot find any trace of their marriage, if indeed there was a marriage. And in 1891 his wife appears to be a Sarah Ann?

Interestingly, William Burns born c1845's father was a Harriman Burns, as you've all said. He killed his wife and was committed to Broadmoor in 1865 where he later died.

I have Harriman's children as :

Edward
John
Harriman
William
Robert
Eliza
Walter

Harriman and William never appear on the same census at the same time however, and Harriman junior vanishes without trace (no trace of a marriage or death) - which leads me to believe that William Burns, born c1845 was in fact born Harriman Burns and changed his name to disguise his father's notoriety perhaps?

In fact ignore that last remark :

Harriman Burns, father Harriman, mother Eliza
Christened 14 OCT 1844 Saint Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Born 01/12/1842

William Burns, father Harriman, mother Eliza
Christened 27 OCT 1845 St Peter Church St, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Hi Dave
Have you the family in 1851 census?
I won't list detals in case you already have them.
Just for the peeps, transcribed as Harriman Burns...

Tina

Hi tina and I do indeed, living at 11 House 18 Court Collingwood Street; Harriman, Eliza, John, Harriman junior, Robert and Elizabeth.