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Hi all,

I am trying to trace William Davies. This is what I have on him: His Son William Edward Davies was born in Slangfield, Newtown, Montgomeryshire on August 11th 1851. At some point he moved to Liverpool and married a local girl Margaret Pickard on 23rd September 1877.

I have William Edward's birth certificate which states his Father was William Davies a Weaver and his Mother was Harriott Brick (it certainly looks like Brick anyway!) I've tried different variations of her surname but can't find anything. Her Christian name is also spelt slightly different.

I have tried all the usual sites for their marriage or her/his birth i.e Free BMD, Family Search etc with no luck. Can anyone help please?

Many Thanks,

Roy Montrose

Hi Roy!!

As long as he didn't change his name to William Carlton Montrose, I can help you

DAVIES William BRICK Harriet 1846 Newtown, St Mary Powys - Newtown North Wales CN14/1/93

http://www.northwalesbmd.org.uk/marriages.html

Sue

Found Harriett on the 1841. I definately says Brick on the page!!

Name: Harriet Brich
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Female
Where born: Montgomeryshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Newtown
County/Island: Montgomeryshire

Street address: Broad Street
Occupation: female servant
Mary Arthur 25
William Blome 30
Harriet Brich 25
Mary Jones 20
Elizth Owen 20
Sarah Turner 13
Jane Williams 20
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 1440; Book: 1; Civil Parish: Newtown; County: Montgomeryshire; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 8; Page: 8; Line: 14; GSU roll: 464340


Sue

Interesting........

HARRIET BRICK
Christening: 03 NOV 1816 Mochdre, Montgomery, Wales

Parents:
Father: VALENTINE TILSLEY
Mother: SUSANAH BRICK


Sue

Sue, your a real 'brick'!!!!

Many, many thanks, you've just gone back 2 generations for me. It is a little strange Harriett's Surname was the Mother's rather than the Father's?

Thanks again Sue,

Regards,

Roy Montrose

Just another in the wall

here you go for the 1851....

Name: Harriott Davies
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Williams
Gender: Female
Where born: Berriew, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Newtown
Town: Newtown
County/Island: Montgomeryshire
Country: Wales
Street address: Slangfield
Registration district: Newtown
Sub registration district: Kerry

Harriott Davies 34
Harriott Davies 1
Williams Davies 28
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2497; Folio: 232; Page: 3; GSU roll: 104259

Name: Williams Davies
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriott
Gender: Male
Where born: Newtown, Montgomeryshire, Wales
Handloom weaver

Sue

Possibilities for William...

WILLIAM DAVIES
Christening: 01 JUN 1823 Newtown, Montgomery, Wales
Parents:
Father: WILLIAM DAVIES Family
Mother: ANNE

WILLIAM DAVIES
Christening: 29 AUG 1824 Newtown, Montgomery, Wales
Parents:
Father: THOMAS DAVIES Family
Mother: MARY


Sue

Hi Sue,

just found the Davies Family on the 1881 Census on Family Search so the whole family must have moved to Liverpool at some point. All the Children were born in Newtown Montgomeryshire and William has become a Porter after working as a Handloom Weaver in Wales. Just need to sort out why Harriet's surname is that of her Mother rather than the Father, thanks again for all your help,

regards,

Roy Montrose

Hi Roy,

Maybe they weren't married, but he wanted to take responsibility.

I couldn't find a marriage for them, and couldn't find a possibility on the 1841.

Sue

Hi guys good to see you both back on board!!

I'm wondering who this little Harry belongs too?
Birth Harriott Brick
sep qtr 1841 Newtown, Mont, Powys.
27/120.
Tina
Added later
Pallot's baptism index
Valentine Tilsley 1783 Christchurch, Newgate London
s/o of Wm & Jane Tilsley
Sorry Pallot's also have marriage for Val in 1824 to Mary Lloyd in London.
You just have to wonder about two little Vals
born & died in 1871 & 1906 both Newtown.

Hi Tina,

If he was the 1 from London, he must've left his mark in Newtown

Sad that these poor baby Valentines died at birth or a few months old The 1st one just missed the 1871 census.
There must be a link somewhere. I can't find any trace of Susannah Bricks though there were 2 that came up for the 18th century in Montgomeryshire.

Sue

Hi Tina and Sue,

Tina, you've got me a bit puzzled regarding the '2 little Val's' born and died in Newtown!

Harriet Brick was born in 1816 naming Valentine Tilsley as the Father, Valentine Tilsley married Married Mary Lloyd in London in 1824, 8 years after Harriet was born. Were they the same person? It's a good bet they were one and the same, the name isn't exactly common!

I've been to the library today and found William and Harriet Davies (nee Brick) and family on the 1871 1881 and 1891 census so I've been able to fill in a few gaps.

Amazingly Brick seems to be quite a common name around the Montgomeryshire area so it's possible Sue that the one of the Susannah's you've found could be the Grandma.

Thanks to both again.

Regards,

Roy Montrose

Roymontrose wrote:Hi all,

I am trying to trace William Davies. This is what I have on him: His Son William Edward Davies was born in Slangfield, Newtown, Montgomeryshire on August 11th 1851. At some point he moved to Liverpool and married a local girl Margaret Pickard on 23rd September 1877.

Many Thanks,

Roy Montrose

Hi Roy - Wohhhoooooo

Just found out from a Marriage Cert yesterday that William Edward Davies above was my rellie!!!! (GGG/F to be exact)!!

I have him as married to a Margaret Ann Pickard viz:
Marriage BMD Index Q3 1877 Liverpool
Marriage 23 SEP 1877 Saint Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Their daughter Mary Harriet Davies b1878 is my connection.

Would love to share more notes with you!!

Regards - HiFly (Chris)

This is a wonderful place to make new rellies, I'm really excited for you both!!

Great news....so pleased about your connections.
Gives all of us hope

Tina

Morning all.
Don't know if this might come in handy .....whilst mooching through collected bits and bobs I came across "Montgomeryshire Records" Parish of Castle Caereinion Register of Baptisms, Burial and Marriages 1663 - 1743. Only a mention of a John, a Jane and a Richard Brick. I know, going far back but at the end there's a list of publications from Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society. There are a couple of Mochdre marriage ones, covering 1783 - 1970 along with Banns (1824 - 1976) and Burial registers (1813 - 1993) Also a couple of Parish registers available. Hope this helps Roy.
Kindest, Pauline.

Hi HIFLY and all,

I'm on holiday at the moment in a very sunny and hot Greece

I will reply when I get home, I'm due home on 26th September. Sounds like we have a good connection here on the Davies'

regards,

Roy Montrose

Hi Chris and All,

First of all please accept my apologies for not getting back to you quicker after my holiday's. My other half came back with some kind of nasty virus then, after she got herself right I went down with what appears to be some kind of chest infection, not man flu - honest!! We are both o.k now thankfully

Anyway, back to the Davies Family. They are not my relatives but those of Pam (my other half). Most of the information I have on William Davies and Harriette Brick is what I've found and posted on this forum plus information found by Sue, Tina etc. I do have information on one or two of their children i.e Harriette Davies b.c1850 and William Edward Davies b. c1851 Pam is related directly to William Edward Davies. I'm more than happy to pass on any information I have. You can contact me with a P.M or through your personal e.mail address if you prefer.

regards,

Roy Montrose

Hi Roy, glad to see you and your wife back and hopefully feeling much better.

Mary