Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Greeting to all of you who gave me so much help last time.
Someone just found a new address on a passenger list to Jamaica
in 1923. He was living at 64 Breakfield Rd., Boodle, Lancs.
at the time. I am hoping so hard that he was staying with relatives.
Can someone see who were the residents ?
Thanks lots !

Hi Chris,

Sorry I don't know the answer to your query but I think the address should probably transcribe as Brekfield Road, Bootle. Hope that helps.

Susan

Thanks ! I found the 1901 census online and entered both Brekfield and Breakfield, with Bootle vs Liverpool but got no result for any of the 4 combinations.
I suppose the street could have been built after 1901 .
Any ideas ?

Hi i looked at this link and entered both breakfield and breckfield rd
http://www.1901censusonline.com/results ... =ad_search
breckfield rd came up but not breakfield, I also looked at google maps and breckfield came up, althouht it is more towards everton way, however, someone on here will probably know better than I if this area was possibly part of bootle then? Also looked on www.old-maps.co.uk, you can type in an address and it will show you maps from 1851 onwards, once again breckfield on there, but not breakfield.


susan

Yes ! Thanks- I entered it in Google and it came up with BreCkfield
as a suggested spelling. That came up in the 1901 census online, so I'm asking around if any friends have a subscription to access the residents
names. If not maybe I'll pay the 5 quid and hope that its not a hotel as it often is with my travelling ancestors.

Hi Chris, 1911 Gore's Directory, at 64 BRECKFIELD ROAD. Walter Thompson. "THIRLMERE HOTEL" .

Just a thought, as Bootle was mentioned perhaps the ship was at one of the Docks in Bootle at that time .

Doreen .

Hi Chris
As Doreen states it was the Thirlmere Hotel for definite as I have just helped someone else with this address as the owner of the pub was a Walter Thompson who was a relation of theirs.
The pub has now been demolished and is recreational ground,acutually the address was ...

64 Breckfield Rd
North Everton

and as Doreen also states the ship was in Bootle Docks,the above addres was also present in 1894 and also come comes up as 1 Thirlmere Road as it was on the corner.
Maybe SKP (some kind person)could do an Electoral Roll look up for you in the LRO in a new post

Cheers
Momo

Big hugs and thanks to all you girls !
Old Norval has eluded us again temporarily but we will
find him soon.... he cannot escape ! )
At least I have learnt that on this trip he was probably on his way back to
Jamaica after WW1 and working in Lagos Nigeria probably
with the Briitish/Colonial Police there.
Chris

Hi Chris
Click on this link and you will see where Norval Marley was in 1923,just scroll down till the "Thirlmere Hotel" photo is shown,thanks go to Gordon who posted the link in another topic in the Forum in "Not Geneaology".

http://inacityliving.piczo.com/?g=41057337&cr=7#


Cheers
Momo

Be careful and I would suggest we ask Jan about an address in Bootle, she knows a lot about the area, because Breckfield Road and the Thirlmere Hotel is in Anfield.

Hiya,

I have looked for anything remotely close to Breckfield in Bootle, and there was nothing, the only other place was a house called "Brickfield" which was on Derby Road (Bootle Docks area) but the house was in relation to an old brick works in the area, but I don't know how long it was there for, it was there in 1907.

I have a 1923 street index (streets only) but I can't get the disc to work on the comp, I will try and sort it out.

I am sure that it is Breckfield, the one in Anfield. I remember the "Thirlemere" pub, my friend's grandad used to drink in there and lived in the street it was on the corner of.

I will have a look in 1901 census on CD and see what else I can find.

Jan

Hi

I've had a look at the passenger list I think is mentioned.

It's the Bayano sailing from Bristol on 2 July 1923 to Panama

Norval Marley is stated to be 40 a Ferro Concrete merchant. His last country of residence is given as England and he is contracted to land at Kingston Jamaica. His last address is definitely given as 64 Breakfield Road Bootle Lancs.

Tilly

Thanks Tilly,

Nothing in the 1923 street directory, Breckfield Road North and South I can find.

I can only think that the Bootle bit is wrong, or maybe it depends on the boundary at the time, someimes Bootle came under Walton-on-the hill, although it wasn't in Walton!

Jan

Thanks again to everyone- I've been very busy at work.
Really appreciate your efforts but this seems like another
cold lead
I just can't make a UK connection with the Jamaican Marleys-
the one I had with Albert Thomas M. in Rye/Essex now looks dubious.
cheers,
Chris

This has been puzzling me for a bit now.

There is a Bootle in Cumbria, I am wondering if it came under Lancaster and shortened to Lancs

I know Bootle (Cumbria) is in Millom, I am not sure what district it would be under though I don't think it could be Lancaster.

Jan

Hi All
Interesting the ship sailed from Bristol not Lpool.
I think it was one of Fyffes banana boats.
bound to Cristobel in Panama.
His occupation is a Merchant aged 40.
Tina

I may have got some info wrong here but are we talking about Bob Marley's father Norval Marley?

I read that he is of British descent, but was born in Jamiaca.

I wonder where the British relatives came into it? anyway, I found this on TNA.
Image details

Description Name Marley, Norval Frank
Official Number: M29688
Place of Birth: Melksham, Wiltshire

Date 28 January 1897
Catalogue reference ADM 188/1077
Dept Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
Series Admiralty: Royal Navy Registers of Seamen's Services
Piece 29501-30000
Image contains 1 document of many for this catalogue reference

Number of image files: 1

Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£)
188 / 188 PDF 1.2 1 134 1 3.50
Total Price (£)

No idea if it's relevant or co-incidental

This is the site I read about Bob's father,
http://www.nndb.com/people/858/000031765/

Jan

Thanks Jan,
Been chewing our fingernails watching the hurricanes here in Florida on the Telly, and haven't logged in for a while.
Where and how can I get a copy of that document on Norval Frank Marley ?
I want to pursue any clue at all. Really appreciate your help.


Chris

Hi Chris

Heres the link for Documents onlne

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/docu ... ultcount=1

Colette

Name: Norval Marley
Birth Date: abt 1886
Age: 35
Port of Departure: Africa
Arrival Date: 16 Sep 1921
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Warri, Forcados, Sapele, Conakry, Koko, Axim, Grand Bassam
Ship Name: Potosi ( Says S/S PATANI on actual page.)

Port of embarkment: Koko; Occupation: Trader; Last permanent place of residency: Nigeria; Travelled: 1st class; Intending to reside what country: England; Proposed Address in the UK: 31 Lord Nelson Street, Liverpool ( Address was a Hotel on the 1881 )

Sue