Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi Erika. I see you have the Liverpool Directories. Is it possible for you to do a look up for me please. I am looking for a William Stirrup I dont have any address for him and I think he died abt 1849. I dont think there are many Stirrups in Liverpool at that time. He is proving very elusive!!
Thanks very much

Sorry, tried to split the topic but failed miserably, this part was left behind.

From Erika
Hi Linda

I have looked in the 1821, 1843 for Stirrup and there are none listed at all.

I checked the 1860 and there is a John Stirrup a cartowner at 32 Cheapside
A relative maybe?

Sorry nothing conclusive

Erika

From Linda
Thanks for looking Erika. As I said they are very elusive. John may be a relative but I've not come across him yet. In the directories I've looked in the first time I can find the family is abt 1870 when Williams son James is listed after he got married
Thanks again

Don't know if this is of any use, but on the 1841

Leeds Street

Anne Sterrup 4 Mo
Margery Sterrup 23
Willm Sterrup 25

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 557; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 8; Page: 8; Line: 7; GSU roll: 306939.

Someone has altered the name to Stirrup. There's also a John Stirrup on the same page.

Sue

Hi Linda

Just checked the 1843 again for Leeds St, but no Stirrup or Sterrup listed.

Must have moved on after the census

Sorry
Erika

Dominex wrote:Don't know if this is of any use, but on the 1841

Leeds Street

Anne Sterrup 4 Mo
Margery Sterrup 23
Willm Sterrup 25

Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 557; Book: 12; Civil Parish: Liverpool; County: Lancashire; Enumeration District: 16; Folio: 8; Page: 8; Line: 7; GSU roll: 306939.

Someone has altered the name to Stirrup. There's also a John Stirrup on the same page.

Sue

Hi Dominex Yes that is the right family(Its me that has sent in the correction for it) but that record for William Stirrup is the only thing I have been able to find for him. i've just sent for a death cert for a William Stirrup for 1849 I will see if its the right one and see if I can find anything else out about him from it ~Thanks for checking Erika

I have got a marriage for a Wm Stirrup to a Margery Blundell in 1835 but am not certain that its the correct one Probably is.

Hiya Linda
I'm not sure if this info is of any help, here goes...
1854 Directory (Gores)
John Stirrup glass maker 128 Vauxhall Rd
John Stirrup cart owner 36 Cheapside.
Cheers
Tina

Lo tis me again
Good idea to send for death cert Linda, at least it will show who the informant was and address etc.

I was hoping Edward Stirrup (1881 in Leeds St) b 1817c Lpool was Wm's brother but no show in IGI.
He's also in Clement St in 1851 journeyman bottle blower.
Margery's son James 24 in 1871 bn 1847c is also a bottle maker.

Do you have them in 1851 as I can't see it listed? If so, sorry for duplication. I think you must have, as an alteration has been made.

1851 can't read court number, can't read street on previous page!!
Howard St area.
as Styrup Margery as Margaret listed as 54 should read 34 head wid
Julia 7, James 4
James Blundell 18 coal heaver
all bn Lpool

TTFN Tina

Hi Linda
This is way down the line in your tree but I felt it was worth telling you about.
In the National Archives, there is a medal card you can order (3 pound 50p) for one William Stirrup, Corporal Liverpool Regiment, WW1.
If you would like to know more, pm me with your email addie and I'll forward the page to you.
TTFN
Tina
ps just putting some ice cubes in the dogs water bowl...phew 37c..
and I'll be putting some more in my glass when it's happy hour!!

dYou'll be getting sick of me Linda
I've actually worked on my tree today, while in sites put in Stirrup.
Do you have a fettish for taps??
One William Stirrup appeared in Manchester Court for stealing brass taps in 1879.
Another had an maintenance order against him for a child "out of wedlock"...Wigan 1817
These are not you family for deffo.
I enjoy reading stuff like this about my own family surnames.
Records at http://www.a2a.org.uk
Just type his name into the search with North West as the location.
Tina

] Thanks Tina your'e a star
The John Stirrup who is on the 1841 census is only abt 3 at the time so I suppose either would be a possibility in the 1854 directory but the Stirrups - up to my dad all worked in the Glass industry so the John who was in the directory as a glass maker looks more of a possibility. William - James's father was down as a glass Blower on James's marriage cert in 1867 - He wasnt down as deceased though and apart from the one on 1841 census I cant find him and if its the right family on the 1851 Margery is a widow which would match William having died in 1849. I cant find any trace of any of them on the 1861 census- I've tried all sorts of spellings.
I think on the 1851 census the address is 2 Court no 15 and the street on the previous page is Oriel St.
I cant find birth or baptism records for any children for them up to now - they probably didnt register them-- just my luck. I am transcribing baptism records for St Peters for around that time but havent come across any Stirrups yet.
I'll Pm you for the link for the National archives page.
Thanks for everything.

If I'm a star, it's a faded one me dear
I'll send a pm to one of our members re whether or not father was deceased on marr cert. She is very cluey.
Chat later
Tina

Typo from me re 1854 should read 1853.
This is what happens when you deal with old chooks!
No Oriel St. There's an Olive St, no listing for your rellies.
I'm not happy with this Directory, so much missing.
Well done for transcribing records!!
Tina

Hi Linda

I've been asked for my thoughts on this one

1. I think it's quite likely that the James' father William was dead by the time of James' marriage but if James wasn't asked the question "is your father dead?" it wouldn't have been recorded. I've seen other cerificates were father is dead but not recorded as such. William's wife is recorded on a number of censuses as a widow including the 1871 when she is living with James so I think he's pretty likely to be dead

2. The 1841 census actually lists all these people at the abode
William Stirrup 25 labourer
Margery Stirrup 28
Alice Stirrup 4 months
Alice Blundell 50
James Blundell 11
George Boamand (I think that's whst it says) 35 labourer bn Ireland
Alice Boamand 35 bn Ireland
George Boamand 11
Susan Boamand 8
John Boamand 3
John Stirrup 3

Everyone else bn in the county

I reckon John Stirrup is also William and Margery's child they just either remembered him at the end of their entry or the enumerator remebered him later

3. Before realising you'd metioned a possible marriage I reckoned Margery was a Blundell

I think this is their marriage William Strrup to Margery Blundell 27 April 1835 at st peter Liverpool. The witnesses at this mariage could be helpful.

4. I think Margery's mother is called Elizabeth and that she has a brother called James. This might help to find her parents and siblings

5. Stirrup is not a Liverpool name. looking on www.familysearch.org and the entries on Ancestry there does seem to be a high proportion of that name in the Winwick, Burtonwood, Warrington, Leigh area.

6. The children may well have been baptised in a church near to were they were living. You would have to search possible churches for baptisms. At the time registering of births was actually the registrar's responsibility and they may have slipped through the net. Mind you it seems amazing that 4 children could go missing.

7. They were married in a C of E church. At the time you had to be to be legal but do you know definitely they were C of E?

8. They appear to have had John 1838, Alice 1840, Julia 1843 and James 1847. John and Alice appear to disapear have you searched for deaths for them or found them at a later stage.

End of my thoughts

Tilly

An extra thought
Had a look on www.freebmd.org and put the phonetic search on
As well as William STIRRUP died 1849 there's a William STIRUP died Dec Quarter 1847 registered Liverpool vol 20 page 279.

Hi Tilly. Thanks for your input into my puzzle!! First off i've got the marriage record of William & Margery - found it thanks to transcribing St Peters. The Witnesses are a Thomas Gaskell and a Mary Blundell - probably Margery's sister. I have just had a quick look on FreeBMD and found a death for an Alice Stirrup in Mar 1850 so its a possibility its her as she isnt on the 1851 census. I am waiting for the Death cert for William that died in 1849- I hope its the right one now that you have found another one. Just my luck if I have to send off for the other one. I wish I could find them on the 1861 though. No I'm not certain they were C Of E As far as I know the family always has been though
I guess I'll have to do some more trawling through the BMD's to see if I can find any of the children
Thanks again
I've also found a death for a John Stirrup in Dec 1846

Hi Linda
Thanks Tilly for reply which I found very informative and I'm sure others will do too.
O/T If a marriage was in Wirral/Birkenhead church, would someone have to go to Chester Record Office to do the look up please?
Thanks
Tina

Tina

Try Wirral archives at Birkenhead (Toen Hall) but I suspect it might be Chester. Not sure of Wirral Archives website I'd try googling it!

Tilly

Linda
Keeping my fingers crossed for the death certificate. What's William's father called and Margery's for that matter or do you know about their ancestors.

Tilly

The Collections & Resources held in Wirral Archives can be seen at :-

http://www.wirral-libraries.net/archive ... ources.htm

Note that it DOESN'T include church registers.

Film of Parish Registers for some (but not all) Wirral churches can be accessed at Birkenhead, Wallasey and West Kirby Libraries.
Otherwise then yes, it's Chester.

Gordon

Well I got a William Stirrup's death cert today. Its not helped me much though. The one I got for 1849 died of Cholera in the Cholera Hospital in Vauxhall road. The only person named on it was a Margaret Jones who was present at the death- might have been a nurse or something. It gives his age as 36 which would be round about right
So I still dont know
1, any address for him
2, His wifes correct name
Looks like I might have to send for the other William Stirrup's death cert for 1847 just to check whether or not its him.

Tina No I dont know William's fathers name or Margery's either. I cant get so far back yet. For the time being I'll be satisfied to find James's birth

aaaggghhh shucks Linda.
Margaret Jones may have been the Matron?

The witnesses to the marriage married each other
IGI Thomas Gaskell to Mary Blundell
4/5/1835 St Peter's.

O/T Many thanks to Tilly and Gordon for their helpful info re my Cheshire question.
TTFN
Tina

Hi Tina. Yes shucks!!! its very frustrating not to say expensive. Well as they say I've started so I'll finish and send for the other cert just to rule one of them out. I'll let you know what happens
Thanks for you help anyway