Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi all,

Even with a PC and the internet I am still having problems. Hy mom was seperated from her twin sister at 6 years old in 1919. My mom was Edyth and her sister Margaret Farrington born in 1913. After the ww1 death of their father the family emigrated to South Africa and for an unknown reason Margaret was left behind with grandparents.

My mother died in the late 70's and I am only now trying to trace her sister Margarets family or offspring however Margaret Farringtons name shows to be a bit of a mix up on Lancashire BMD as it would appear that in 1931 she married then divorced and then married again.

I dont know what happened and I was thinking if someone could kindly help me with a lookup which may be more specific with detail and fathers names as I am not totally convinced that the Margaret shown below is the correct person. All the below are in respect of REG_LP/408/10

I have never found any other BMD details except her birth in 1913 and the following;


COPE George R FARRINGTON Margaret Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/408/10

COPE George R PORTER Margaret Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/408/10

FARRINGTON Margaret COPE George R Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/408/10

PORTER Margaret COPE George R Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/408/10

If someone could help I maybe able to return the favour one day.

Thanks

Darry

Darryl.
Sorry to throw a spanner in the works

I think you also need to ask for a LRO look up for marriage Margaret Farrington to Frank Porter at Liverpool, St Columba Ref 2096/Lp/408/10 in 1919. as i think if the details for this one are not yours (Your Margaret would be too young to marry) then its likley to be an older Margaret and then this woiuld rule out the later marriage to George Cope as his Margaret was also a Farrington/Porter, and two Liverpool marriages for a lady from Bardnay is highly unlikley.

Sharon

Hi Sharon

I would probably do better at stacking the shelves as now I am getting confused. I thought it was easy Margaret was born as my mothers twin in 1913 so that would preclude most years for marriage and I would think that a special licence would be required as a child bride under 21.

I suspect that she got married either in a military service or overseas without it being registered in the UK indexes until the wheels came off and later she remarried.

Surely the proof if it is the right lady would be on the marriage certificate which should show her father. The only cerficate we can trust would be the UK marriage to show the fathers name and address at marriage.

Knowing the family history for name change with fraud and abandoning children behind in the UK in 1919 I am begining to understand why no one did anything the right way as even with the benifit of computers and modern communications it is difficault and probably better or easier today to get my forging kit and make all the changes myself, LOL.

Where do I go next, (cant afford an airplane ticket and my hubby will not let me go ), do you think I will get a lookup or should I wait for the certificate

Darry

Darryl

Personally i would wait for SKP to do a look up for you, as i said it may be after crimbo but it will tell you if she is the later one who married George Cope she was deffo a Farrington/Porter so i dont think its "your Peggy".

Sharon

Does anyone know the opening times of the LRO over the festive season?
I will try and get there myself over the crimbo.

If anyone can help with this LRO look up .
The marriage took place in the first Quarter OF 1919, it is thought at St Columba, Pleasant St, Liverpool .
However, there was another St Columba's Presbyterian Church in Smithdown Rd but the above is the more likely .

Frank Porter to a Margaret - surname, Farrington or Warrington .

Lanc's bmd have Margaret as Farrington - Free bmd and Ancestry have her as a Warrington .

Doreen
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Thought the church was in Anfield but there is a Pleasant St between Mt Pleasant and Brownlow Hill .

Hi all
Sorry to sound a bit thick but why would Margaret marry in Liverpool?
She grew up with her grandees Lowther & Louisa in Bardney.
Wouldn't she have married locally?
I wonder if Uncle Ernest who "rescued" her lived in Lpool?
Soz about all the questions.
Tina

Tina, that's what I thought also, the look up, if it is a Farrington, will I think discount the 1931 marriage as being our Margaret .

Need Father of the brides name also, to see any Farrington family connection , hard to pin them down , so we really need this Look Up at the LRO - for the 1919 marriage at St Columba Church .

Doreen .

Hi girls

The registered father for Margaret and Edyth was Thomas Herbert Farrington of Liverpool b.1879.

I also suspect that Margaret should have been married in Bardney, like a normal young lady, near mom but my cuzzy Veronica said she can recall family legend saying that Margaret ran away with an airman, either Polish or Canadian and they went to Canada where uncle Ernest sent her money to come home again when she had problems. Veronicas mom played with Margaret up to their late teens and she also knew Louisa as an old lady. Veronicas mom when she was alve said that Louisa always said she felt responsible, (for what we can only guess).

It could be that Louisa was a bit of a control freak as there is a possibiility that she prevented Adeline Mabel and Charles from getting married and she meddled in Margarets love life.

Having messed it up the first time maybe Margaret was disinclined to make a big deal of the second. We know Louisa Pollington was the daughter of the reverend Blake, (a Wesleyan Methodist), and I am sure she may have disapproved of the first "run away" marriage and maybe even disowned her in that regard.

Miss Margaret kept me guessing for over 20 years until I found cuzzy Veronica and she opened the door to the grandparents Lowther and Louisa and that Margaret had been left behind with them when the family went to SA however it looks like she is going to keep us guessing for a bit longer.

There are four entries on LP/408/10 making it look like a name change from Porter back to Farrington and then marriage to George Cope. I am not totally convinced but its the closest I have ever come to Peggy.

Any help or guidance from from you girls would be wonderful but if you need any more information just let me know.

Many thanks

Darry

Hello Doreen
I can see the logic for the look up now you've explained it to me. At first I thought why bother, she would only be 6yrs old, but yes, you're right, it could give one Margaret the big flick.
Hi Darl
Thanks for your posting and Margaret news. Perhaps Louisa wouldn't give her permission to marry so they nicked off together.
Has anyone looked in Gretna
If only Lincolnshire had a forum as good as ours.
Maybe they do?
Chat later
Tina

Hi All
I've been sitting here talking to myself, sent the dog to sleep!
The twins bn 1903 W Dby Wm Edwd & Edith Evelyn Farrington still bug me.
Presumably after Chas died from his wounds in Lpool, Adeline went back to her parents for support, financial or otherwise.
What did she live on when she reached Sth Africa?
Did Chas have connections out there and they looked after Adeline?
Did Margaret get off the boat from Canada in Liverpool and stay with people she knew from Chas background? or perhaps Farrington folk?
Then there's another Chas bn Sth Africa living with his uncle in London in 1901. His middle initial differs, could the two Chas's have been cousins?
Thank you for "listening"...which is more than the dog did.
Cheers
Tina

doreen wrote:Tina, that's what I thought also, the look up, if it is a Farrington, will I think discount the 1931 marriage as being our Margaret .
Doreen .

Doreen why couldnt i have put it as straight forward as you?

Sharon

You ladies should be in Scotland Yard and I am sure that you would solve many a "cold case". I am a amatuer compared to you but I am still sure that I could do a pretty mean job of stacking the bottom shelves of any supermarket but I now understand why the original forum is such an extreme length as you lot are like bull terriers with the taste of blood

Despite the spread of business experiance in our family you must be praised for your lateral out of the box thinking and with that I am sure dear Margerat will eventually have her day of reckoning

When I was a young lady I knew about the abandoned twin but I was young and did not even think of the merry dance we have been led on and I keep blaiming myself for not asking the right questions whilst our previous generation was still alive

I have moved my chair a row further back in the school class.

Thanks girls.

Darry

Hi Darry

Its just a case of ellimination and im sure we will crack this one.....

We have kick stools in work,im sure i can find you one you will soon reach the top shelves

I dont know about being bull terriers were more like blood(line) hounds and we all love a good case, we try to be helpful where we can.

Have a good day or is it night in SA Im off too bed now back in work tonight but will try and jump in later see if any developments.

Good Night/Day

Sharon

Oh dear Sharon!, I really must be a country bumpkin, I have been trying to think who is this person SKP who may help I need to get the blond and the grey treated in my hair as I have just realised "SOME KIND PERSON", dah Maybe I can sweep the aisles of your shop as I am definately not up to speed. Thank goodness I have you lot as friends to give me guidance.

I definately am like a teenager in these matters and its not just success that excites me its the thought of how close we have come since the time that my family knew nothing of the Farrington line and we were all Pollingtons, through to discovering the name Farrington on my moms birth certificate and then the slowly piecing together of information and many dozens of emails through GR until we discovered Lowther and Lousia and then when we discovered cuzzies Veronica and Mary. I think we were all as excited as each in both finding an important peice of the puzzle of life which was a lifetime enigma until this year.

We are 2 hours ahead of the UK and we are at the begining of summer. The temperature here was about 35 degrees today.

Right I am off to watch my soapies but thanks to all of you and for your efforts.

Darry

Tina Morana wrote:Hi All
The twins bn 1903 W Dby Wm Edwd & Edith Evelyn Farrington still bug me.
Thank you for "listening"...which is more than the dog did.
Cheers
Tina

Tina and gang

The twins still bug me too, just too much of a co-incidence with the name for them not to be somehow related..... maybe Farringtons brother who was living with Adeline on the 1901 census in Litherland, maybe she had a thing going with him before Thom Farrington, wasnt his name William? have to go back to original post and check.

Know what you mean about the dog i have the same effect on the whole family the minute i pick the laptop up, sure know how to clear a room just mention the word Farrington and they all run.

Back to work see ya's tomorrow.

Sharon

Hello everyone
There is a marr in Lancs BMD for Edith E Farrington to Victor Ashley, St Peter's Aintree 1924.
Just thought I'd throw that into the ring.
Tina

So thats another spanner in the works!! Maybe its the 1903 twin?

Sharon

Hi All,
The births Jne Qtr 1903 Edith Evelyn Farrington 8b 308 .
William Edward Farrington 8b 355 .
Not sure that these will be Twin Births, as the page numbers differ .

Darryl, do you know the years when Margaret was in London Playing the Piano .

Doreen

Hi girls.

If you find yourselves at a local watering hole this weekend please have a drink on me and one day when we are on the other side of St Peters Pearly gates we will all have one together but I dont know if we will find Adeline or Margaret there.

Tina was asking what Adeline lived on when she reached South Africa, well I've worked that out!, she was living on my inheritance . Oh well what you never had your never miss.

37 degrees + in the shade today so it looks like we could do with some Liverpool snow!

Luv

Darry

Hi Doreen

As to when Margaret was playing piano in Wigmore Hall we are not sure and I am still waiting for a reply from them on that. Our guess at this stage would be 1927 to 1928 but then again it is just a guess.

What Adeline did on arrival in SA with four kids has always worried me and I am pretty convinced she had a welcoming party on this side. It was either that or she slept on the side of the harbour. We have considered the possibility that there was a death payout from the army or maybe Lowther assisted but she would still have needed help on day one of arrival.

She had no boyfriends here that we knew of nor any jobs that she had. The little family lived in durban from 1919 until 1931 and then went to Johannesburg for a few years and then moved north to Rhodesia and then further north to the copperbelt of Northern Rhodesia.

Even with todays roads and cars that is still a formibable trip of about 3500 km, in the 1930's it would have been a journey of note. And one must suspect that there was a man involved in the journey and "cash".

Luv Darry