Researching my Grandfather and back.

[george]

Hi, I am new to this site and send Best Wishes to all for Christmas and the New Year. I am trying to start researching back from my grandfather, who I did not know too well whose name was George Brereton. The surname is a well known name in Cheshire heritage which information on I am able to find out about very easily. All I know about my grandfather is that he ran, and then had to run from rather quickly, I believe,the Pontac Pub in Tom Mann St. off Christian St. off St Joseph St. at the back of what was The Polytech in Byrom St, now part of John Moores Uni. He maried, my Nanna, whose name was Margaret, nee, I think Kelly, they had two boys, my Uncle George and my Dad, Francis Joseph, I think born in 1913 and went to St. Francis Xaviers College. After doing the runner, they moved to Birkenhead. I was born, the eldest of three boys and one girl, in 1939 and think Dad married Mum in 1938, she was Eleanor Bowe.
My Dad died in 1972 and I think my Grandfather about 1952, in Birkenhead. I live, most of the time in Spain, and am fairly new to computers. If anyone can give me any guidance I would be most gratefull.
Happy Christmas, Felicitas Navidas. Tony Brereton, with thanks.

[soreofhing]

Hi George
To work backwards from your grandad George we must know more about him as the name seems fairly common.
Where was he born? How old was he when he died? Where did he die?
Where was he married?

Freebmd gives a marriage of George Brereton probably to either Margaret Kelly or Margaret McAvoy, both marriages registered in West Derby in the September quarter 1907.
Lancashirebmd gives details of the Brereton/Kelly marriage at St. Marys, Edge Hill, registers at Liverpool, Ref. 2043WD/15/456
I would suggest you get a copy of each certificate and you'll start to get some facts from which to work backwards.

Feliz Navidad y un Prospero Año Nuevo.
Rob

[george]

Thank you Rob for your prompt reply, I think you have certainly located my Grandad and Nanie. She was Margaret Kelly and I shall see if I am able to find any other information. I know he was a seaman out of Liverpool and ran, fora time a pub in Lierpool. They moved to Birkenhead which is where he died in the early fifties. You have made my night!
Feliz Navidad y un Prospero Anyo Nuevo a Yusted. English keyboard. Perdone! Gratias. Tony Brereton.

[Dominex]

could this have been him on the 1901?

Name: Geo Brereton
Age: 19
Estimated birth year: abt 1882
Relation: Crew
Gender: Male
Where born: Mantevich, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Royal Navy
Town: Portsmouth Harbour
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England
Registration district: Portsmouth
Sub-registration district: Portsea and Landport
ED, institution, or vessel: Northampton

Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 1000; Folio: 154; Page: 29.

I think that should be Nantwich

[Dominex]

Actually giving another possibility

At 1 Tunnel Rd, there's this family

George Brereton
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Father's name: John
Mother's name: Lizzie
Gender: Male
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Cheshire
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub-registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 60
Household Members: Name Age
Ettie Brereton 17
Florrie Brereton 19
George Brereton 10
John Brereton 48
John Brereton 14
Lizzie Brereton 46
May Brereton 3
William Brereton 7

Father it says is Licensed pub victuallis



Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 3388; Folio: 91; Page: 15.

[george]

I cannot believe the replies I have had to posting my limited information that I have on my Grandfather, George Brereton, a common name in Cheshire but I am intrigued to find out how he arrived in Liverpool. I am, rather new to computers and the web etc. but cannot believe the interest you all have to help others. I have just read Scottie Rd,in Scottie Press and laughed at some of the comments I read. Agh eh Mum etc! I did work in Liverool, two pubs I well remember on opposite corners, of Great Howard St. were The Bull, great, and the Brown Cow,lousyAmazingly a bloke from Mexico was one of the first people to reply and has given me a list of addresses to contact for information but if any of you Scottie Roaders can find any info about the PontaC or PontacK I would love it. He evidently,Gramps, George and Margaret Brereton did a runner! To the One eyed city, Birkenhead! About maybe 1925 or later I know my Dad had an older brother , my lovely Uncle George who seved in the RAF in India as I think a Radio Technician on,yes Spitfires and was well known in Birkenhead. A guyfrom Mexico who had relations in the Wirral replied and said that when the Liverpudlians reply you will get swamped . Loved all I have read up to now. More Scouse Humour PLEASE> tony brereton

[jan44]

Hiya Tony,

Did you read your other posting about the pub?

To try to get further back with our grandad and his family, you will need to perhaps get a copy of his marriage cert, to then get his father's name and occupation.

You may not be aware of sites that many of us use to get birth marriage and death records, also census records.

The BMD records are free to search on www.ancestry.co.uk/ census records are from 1841-1901 and the 1881 is free to search.

If you get the marriage cert of your grandparents, then post the details on here, we can then try and help further.

All the best.

Jan

[Dominex]

You may not be aware of sites that many of us use to get birth marriage and death records, also census records.

Think there should be a sticky thread for sites that peeps use, and that peeps can add links to? There's been a couple of people in the past few days enquiring about sites
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[jan44]

Hi,

I found a death registration for a George Brereton in the Jul-Sept Q 1951 registered in Birkenhead, George Brereton age 75 Birkenhead vol 10a page 66

I then looked on the 1881 census and found this, a year out for the birth year, but has father George born Nantwich.

1881 England Census
about George Brereton
Name: George Brereton
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Nantwich, Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 2 Vescock St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Labourer

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Brereton 2
George Brereton 40
George Brereton 4
Peter Brereton 9
Sarah Brereton 33
William Brereton 11


All others born Liverpool.

Jan

[jan44]

I also found this on FreeBMD

Name: George Brereton
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Liverpool (1837-1924)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 35 (click to see others on page)

Jan

[jan44]

Found this on the 1871 census

1871 England Census
about George Brereton
Name: George Brereton
Age: 30
Estimated birth year: abt 1841
Relation: Son-in-law
Spouse's name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Cheshire, England

Civil parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View image

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 247
Household Members: Name Age
George Brereton 30
Peter Brereton 1
Sarah Brereton 26
Alice Edwards 70
Elizabeth Edwards 18
George Edwards 14
Ritchard Edwards 46
William Edwards 30


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There is a marriage on lancsbmd 1869.

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1869
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BRERETON * George EDWARDS Sarah J Everton, St. Peter Liverpool 2085WD/3/345
BRERETON * George PALMER Sarah J Everton, St. Peter Liverpool 2085WD/3/345

If you look at the 1871 census George is living with his mum in law Alice Edwards.

Jan

[colette]

Hi there it was called The Pontack..
I have a photo taken 1920's if you would like a copy email me..

1911 Directory has

George Brereton Bar Man address 51 Rupert Hill
George Brereton Joiner Address 9 Woodchurch Rd Oxton.

Maybe he is one of those.

1938 Directory Has
George Brereton Builder address 19 Brereton Ave Lower Bebington

George James Junior Brereton Wireless Dealer 80 Watson St Birkenhead
Francis Jsp Brereton Cycle Dealer 82 Watson St Birkenhead

So your dad and his brother lived next door to each other..
If you know when grandad died and his age we can work out the year he was born.. and go back.. i checked 1952 but only Jan-March-April-June and July-Sept is showing up so maybe his death was Oct-Dec.


Regards Colette

[MaryA]

Hi there it was called The Pontack..
If you know when grandad died and his age we can work out the year he was born.. and go back.. i checked 1952 but only Jan-March-April-June and July-Sept is showing up so maybe his death was Oct-Dec.

Regards Colette

Are we talking about George here?

In the Oct-Dec qtr of 1952 there are three Breretons -
George age 95 King's L 4b 500
John H age 61 Reading 6a 77
Samuel age 74 Bucklow 10a 135

Does this help at all?

[colette]

Hi Mary Kings L i would have thourght he died in Birkenhead wouldnt you..

Maybe it was about 1952.. it would mean going through the entire 1950's.

Hope you had a good xmas...

Col xx

[colette]

Hi looks like George died aged 75 years Birkenhead July-Sept 1951 10a 66.

George was born in July-Sept 1876 Liverpool 8b 35.


1881 Census 2 Vestock St
Head George Brereton age 40 b Nabtwich Cheshire Labourer
Wife Sarah age 33 b Lpool
Son Peter age 9 should be age 11 b Lpool
Son Wiliam age 11 should be age 9 b Lpool
Son George age 4 b Lpool
Dau Alice age 2 b Lpool

Sarah died 1884 age 36 Liverpool 8b 144

cannot find George in 1891

Alice is at the Three Oprhan Asylum in the Mount Pleasant area aged 12.

George is at the Blue Coat School says age 12 should be 13-14

Need to find Peter & William

1901 cannot locate George..

Brother Peter
1901 19 Bengal St
Peter Brereton age 30 Stationary Engine Worker b Lpool
Wife Eliza A age 31 b Lpool
Dau Sarah A age 5 b Lpool
Dau Letitia age 3 b Lpool
Son Peter age 1 b Lpool

1901 5 Anthony St Everton
Head William Brereton age 29 Engine Driver at Oil Cake Mill b Lpool
Wife Mary E age 30 b Lpool
Son William J age 8 b Lpool
Son John age 6 b Lpool
Son George H age 4 b Lpool
Dau Sarah E age 2 b Lpool
Dau Letitia age 2 Months b Lpool

1901 50 West Derby St
Alice Brereton age 22 Housemaid b Lpool..

Will try locate Peter & William in 1891.

Regards Colette

I noticed a birth for a William F Brereton Oct-Dec 1912 West Derby mothers maiden name KELLY..
Could this be a brother for your father that may have died young ?????

[george]

Hi all, I am flabergasted at the info from you all, I cant take it all in. The info on the Pontack and yes Jan, my grandfather died in 1951 in St Catherines Hospital, and would have been 75. Collette, yes that is my Uncle George who died in Birkenhead in, aged 42 and my Father Francis born in 1913 and died aged 59 in Wallasey. The address is 82 Watson st, there was another radio/cycle shop at 78 or 80. My gtandfather was a seaman but I dont know about the Royal Navy. By the looks of it you have all found my GGF as well, also George. The family definately came from Middlewich or Nantwich. I will get all your info together and probably close the Pontack subject as it was the only location I knew of in Liverpool. You are all teaching me a lot and thank you everone. Tony Brereton.

[MaryA]

George is at the Blue Coat School says age 12 should be 13-14

Oh most definitely you need to be looking this up. The Admissions and Attendance Registers are held in the Liverpool Records Office and will give you details of whether he is an orphan and who is supporting him, baptisms etc.

Check out this for what information is given

http://liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/phpBB ... php?t=2251

[jan44]

Hi,

I was trying to locate George in 1901, so had a look at the 1900 online directory (historical directories site) and found a George Brereton - Manager at 96 Radcliffe Street Everton, then checked Radcliffe Street in 1901 and he's not there!

Jan

[colette]

Hi Tony what about the William F Brereton who mothers maiden name was Kelly born in 1912 Liverpool.

This child could well be your dads brother who died as a baby..
I would get the birth cert out of curiosity to make sure..

Liverpool Oct-Dec 8b 999

As you say George & Margaret married in 1907..
What year was uncle George born as from 1907=1915 thats a big gap for only two children.

Colette

[george]

Hi, Colette, my Alziemers is kicking in faster and faster! I never knew about William F. My uncle, George James was 42 when he died in Birkenhead. I think I was 13/14 which means 1955 making his birth 1913, rings a bell. I think he got married aswellDad, Francis Laurance was 59 and died in Wallasey, all Wirral, he died in Feb 1977 making his yob 1918 June 30th. He married Mum, Eleanor Catherine Bowe in Rock Ferry when he was 19 and Mum 21 and I know she was 2 yrs. older. I was born April 27th 1939 but have no access to the relevant certificates to verify info. I am trying to corrolate all the info you all have given me and am a bit boggled at mo! As I am getting the info together I will then be able to apply to the addesses you have given me. Thank you all for all your help and interest. Tony. Brereton.