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The marriage of John Larsen/Frances Hello, 1883, South Shields gives fathers names as, John Larsen/George Hello.

There may be good reason for this, Frances gives her birth as 1863, if she is the Frances who's baptism you found, she is not yet 17 and may well be hiding the fact and not wanting to give her true details. I believe William Hallo is deceased by then anyway.

Her parents marriage is registered as, William Hallo/Fanny Owen, you have the cert.

Other marriages of interest you may not have seen, all full of transcription errors.

William Hallo, 24/Mary Ann Holmes,23, 1895, Parish Church Liverpool. Transcribed as William Halls.
Witness's, Elias Williams, Frances Larsen.

Have to assume William Hallo, snr died before 1875.

Marriage 1875, Parish Church Liverpool,

Robert Sheridan/Fanny Hillo, widow,

The witness at this marriage is of interest, Elias Williams.

Robert Sheridan died at sea, 1881 and Fanny married again.

John Rogers/Fanny Sheridan, 25 Dec 1885, St Mary's, Kirkdale.

You will notice Fanny has named her father as Thomas on 2 marriages and George on the other, yet both Joiners, possible mistake made with George.

Fanny's parents were Thomas Owen and Mary Beattie, married 1837, St Philip, Liverpool.

Thomas remarried 1860, All Saints,
Caroline Copeland Room.

Thomas Owen died 1885.

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MaryA wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2020 09:47

Message has been passed to Daniel, hope he considers joining us.

Thanks, Mary, lets hope so.

Could do with finding a death for William Hallo, not sure of birth date, possibly died between 1865-1875.
He was a mariner, perhaps at sea?

Bertieone wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2020 10:05

Could do with finding a death for William Hallo, not sure of birth date, possibly died between 1865-1875.
He was a mariner, perhaps at sea?

No luck

Thank you,

Well and truly missing.

Bertieone wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2020 06:02

The marriage of John Larsen/Frances Hello, 1883, South Shields gives fathers names as, John Larsen/George Hello.

There may be good reason for this, Frances gives her birth as 1863, if she is the Frances who's baptism you found, she is not yet 17 and may well be hiding the fact and not wanting to give her true details. I believe William Hallo is deceased by then anyway.

This is a very helpful insight to have. Many thanks indeed. I had come across this marriage as apparently the only case of a Frances Hello getting married, but was uncertain about it given the father's forename, the date of birth and the location. I do wonder how they came to be in South Shields. On the 1901 Census in Liverpool, John is listed as the Captain of a Steam Ship but born in Liverpool.

Bertieone wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2020 06:02

William Hallo, 24/Mary Ann Holmes,23, 1895, Parish Church Liverpool. Transcribed as William Halls.
Witness's, Elias Williams, Frances Larsen.

Have to assume William Hallo, snr died before 1875.

This is excellent, many thanks - I realised there must be a William Hello Jr because both a William Hello and Frances Hello gave Mrs Frances Rogers as their mother, and the same address (46 Barlow St) on admission to the Walton Workhouse in 1905 and 1907 respectively. William's condition is listed as lunacy and Frances is stated as admitted from the Main Bridewell. Do we have any idea for what sort of reasons Frances Lawson may have ended up in the Main Bridewell - could it be money problems, or perhaps something more sinister? I believe one of the workhouse entries for her reads as 'injury to ribs'.

Bertieone wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2020 06:02

Her parents marriage is registered as, William Hallo/Fanny Owen, you have the cert.

Have to assume William Hallo, snr died before 1875.

Marriage 1875, Parish Church Liverpool,

Robert Sheridan/Fanny Hillo, widow,

The witness at this marriage is of interest, Elias Williams.

Robert Sheridan died at sea, 1881 and Fanny married again.

John Rogers/Fanny Sheridan, 25 Dec 1885, St Mary's, Kirkdale.

You will notice Fanny has named her father as Thomas on 2 marriages and George on the other, yet both Joiners, possible mistake made with George.

Thank you ever so much for clarifying this sequence of marriages. I found it very strange that there seemed to be so many surnames for Frances/Fanny, and I wasn't even aware of Robert Sheridan! It seems that John Rogers also has died by the 1911 Census, since she is living at Grove Place, Kirkdale with boarders and is listed as a widow.

Sorry Daniel I can't open the FMP links being a Ancestry subscriber, I think Mary will ask you to remove them or she will because of some stupid rule FMP have.

She will explain better than I, a problem we don't seem to have with Ancestry.

Can't say why Frances was in the Bridewell, with rib injuries she would been taken to the workhouse infirmary, perhaps she got into a brawl?

Thank you for removing the links, Findmypast Terms and Conditions preclude either requesting or offering look ups, we try to keep our members and our forum safe by not mentioning it, however there is nothing to stop you transcribing what you see, ultimately all records are from the National Archives, so there is no need to quote any other source. This applies to Facebook also.

There are a number of Quarter Sessions records at the Archives, your search there will obviously have to wait until they reopen, however have you checked the newspapers to see if there is any mention of the name? especially since you have good dates, or I assume you have from your own research. If you don't have a Lancashire Library Card (not Liverpool, but Bow Lane, Preston), it would be a good idea to sign up for one online and use this access to check out the old newspapers in their digital archive.

Daniel,

Thinking out loud,

Do you know when William Hallo died?

Failing to find a death with the above name, However with the mention of Lunacy, I wonder if he ended up in Rainhill.

If so, there's a death registration for a William Hall, aged 41, 1913, Prescot.

There's a marriage in Cardiff, 1915,

Mary A Hallo/Richard Burnell,

I wonder.

Bertieone wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2020 20:47

I wonder if he ended up in Rainhill.

If so, there's a death registration for a William Hall, aged 41, 1913, Prescot.

Now you may be lucky in getting to view some of the records of this man at the Record Office. You won't be able to do that until they re-open so in the meantime my suggestion would be to get a copy of the death certificate - cheapest way is to order a .pdf copy from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/cert ... search.asp at that date you can get it for only £7. You can double check then whether it gives a home address on it, or a relative's name, although don't build your hopes up as he may just be listed as living at Rainhill and probably the Superintendent would have done the registration.

With the certificate in your possession you could ask at the RO if they would do a check of the Rainhill records and see what they say, bound to give more detail and possibly even a photograph.

Bertieone wrote: ↑

08 Jun 2020 20:47

Daniel,

Failing to find a death with the above name, However with the mention of Lunacy, I wonder if he ended up in Rainhill.

If so, there's a death registration for a William Hall, aged 41, 1913, Prescot.

MaryA wrote: ↑

09 Jun 2020 08:12

Now you may be lucky in getting to view some of the records of this man at the Record Office. You won't be able to do that until they re-open so in the meantime my suggestion would be to get a copy of the death certificate - cheapest way is to order a .pdf copy from https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/cert ... search.asp at that date you can get it for only £7. You can double check then whether it gives a home address on it, or a relative's name, although don't build your hopes up as he may just be listed as living at Rainhill and probably the Superintendent would have done the registration.

With the certificate in your possession you could ask at the RO if they would do a check of the Rainhill records and see what they say, bound to give more detail and possibly even a photograph.

Many thanks indeed, both, for your very helpful suggestions. I have to take a short break from the research for university reasons but I hope to come back to it as soon as possible.