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Does anyone have any connection to this family please: PATRICK FITZPATRICK c1825-36 Cavan, Ireland married MARY LITTLE c1827-38 Fermanagh, Ireland .
Marriage 15th Feb 1858 • Drummully, (Galloon parish), Ireland
PATRICK , no Baptism and therefore no parents names, possible death date of December Q 1897 Warrington , where buried ?
MARY was baptised 25 May 1823 • Carrickreagh, Devenish Church of Ireland. Possible death Dec Q 1896 • Warrington - where buried ?

Children to Patrick and Mary
MARGARET b January 1859 Bothwell, Lanarkshire, Scotland - Married JOHN TRACEY - Children: John, Catherine & Hilda Mary
MARY ANN b May 1860 Hawick, Roxburghshire, Scotland - Died 2 SEPTEMBER 1861 Liverpool Reg Dist. Buried Ford Roman Catholic Cemetery
ANNE JANE c 1861 Roxburgh, Scotland - Death JAN 1940 • Middlesex, - Married JOSEPH LOUIS QUICK - -
PATRICK b September 1862 Cavers, Roxburghshire, Scotland - Possible death December Q 1927 Warrington, where buried ? Did he marry ?, did he go Overseas ? Last Census 1911
MARY ELIZABETH (Lizzie) b March Q 1870 Warrington - Did she marry, where did she die, where buried ?, did she go Overseas ? Last census 1901
** THOMAS FITZPATRICK b July 1872 Warrington, Lancashire, Died MARCH Q 1952 Warrington , married FLORENCE MARY CRUMP - Children: Annie Agnes, Mary Berdine, Frances Clare, Thomas, Mary Gertrude, John & ** JOSEPH LEWIS THOMAS FITZPATRICK ** This Ancestor is my son in laws grandfather and knew him well as he lived with him in East Yorkshire
JOHN b ABT 1877 Warrington. Who did he marry, where did he die, where buried ?, did he go Overseas ? Last census 1891

1841 & 1851 cen, I cannot find Patrick or Mary anywhere as their ages given on census's vary widely.
1861 cen @ Hawick, Roxburg, Scotland - they must have moved after this census as death of dau Mary Ann 2 Sep 1861 Liverpool Reg Dist and they must have lived in the area of Ford RC Cemetery
1871 cen @ 4 Tilleys Road, Warrington
1881 cen @ 1 Bennett St, Warrington
1891 cen @ 1 off Orford Lane, Warrington
After 1891 , I cannot find Patrick & Mary on 1901 & 1911 which is why the deaths I have found maybe correct but again their ages on census's are difficult to line up with possible deaths

This family certainly moved around. I hope there is enough information that someone may be able to fill in missing gaps, maybe you are missing a Patrick, Mary Elizabeth (Lizzie) or a John Fitzpatrick and link them into this family.
Any advice would be greatly appreciated please.

Regards
BindyWend

Hi and welcome,

I hope this helps, http://burialrecords.warrington.gov.uk/

Mary E



Deaths Mar 1936

Fitzpatrick, Mary E, age 65, Manchester S. 8d 43

Also,

If you click on name, Burial results, address given, etc.

http://burialrecords.warrington.gov.uk/ ... ?ID=182897

Bertieone, many thanks for the helpful information.
I am new to researching Lancashire families, always something new in FH research.
BindyWend

John Fitzpatrick,



Soldiers Effects,


Name:
John Fitzpatrick

Gender:
Male

Birth Place:
Warrington

Death Date:
28 Oct 1909

Death Place:
Belfast

Rank:
Lance Sergeant

Regiment:
Cheshire Regiment

Regimental Number:
5569

Killed at First lock, River Lagan, along with another soldier.

I can't open newspaper report, a kind soul with a subscription hopefully will.

BindyWend wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2019 23:50

MARY was baptised 25 May 1823 • Carrickreagh, Devenish Church of Ireland. Possible death Dec Q 1896 • Warrington - where buried

Is this a typo?

She would have been 54ish when John was born 1877.

Hi Bertieone
Firstly, many thanks for the newspaper info and copy of the Death Cert, and Soldier's Effects, looks like those names are the same as my F family.

Secondly, I didn't find this Baptism for Mary Little, a kind person in Ireland visited PRONI, where he found the marriage and a kind priest I knew translated the latin, this man
then searched for Baptism's for both Mary & Patrick. I will search and see if I can find a Mary Little a bit older.
I do know from some research that it is "possible" for women to be pregnant into their early 50's, rare, but it is said to have happened/happens. One for the back burner

Now for a bit of "moonlight" work of writing up the info, thank you.
I like to help people with research where I can.

Regards

There was another 2 children born in Warrington, mothers maiden name, Little.

Ellen Fitzpatrick, 1867, died 1869
Matthew Fitzpatrick, 1874, died 1877.

Neither of them are buried in Warrington cemetery, I think likely to be in a RC church graveyard, also their parents.

HI Bert
Once again, thank you. I haven't searched on GRO for any more births to Patrick n Mary (I should have)

Burial Ellen Fitzpatrick 7/12 mths. Burial 2 March 1869 Ford Cemetery RC Grave 850, address 22 Bk Portland h
Ancestry Liverpool, England, Catholic Burials, 1813-1985

Matthew is not in Ford. Will have to search other cemeteries.

Found this online
http://www.liverpoolhistoryprojects.co. ... rcburials/

Bindy,

Ellen was 2 years old.
death reg

HI Bert,
Thanks, I cannot find a burial for an Ellen F aged 2 years or for Matthew F. A mystery.

Next, Ford Cemetery, did it have a church ? I have goggled and cannot find anything for one or for BAPTISM records.
If there wasn't a church at Ford Cemetery, what would be the nearest for Roman Catholics ? I did notice on the Burials, all of them was Direct to the Grave, so no service.
I have searched on Familysearch.org and found nothing.
Ancestry too : All Lancashire, England, Church of England Births and Baptisms, 1813-1911, nothing for this family, just in case they switched about.
FindmyPast: Nothing on their Parish Records in Warrington for this family.

I do believe I may have come to the end of the road in research for this family.
They had a poor life, children died at young ages, I noticed on the burial records as I scrolled through the one for Ford the amount of children under 7 buried was more in the
same years 1876/77 than the adults deaths for the Common Graves, those children same age was a quarter buried in Private Graves, just shows how poor Warrington was.

I do need to find the Burial for John Fitzpatrick, the Soldier, died in Belfast, I wonder if he was buried there or brought back home, a bit more searching for later on.
I also need to get credits to read the newspaper report on his death.

Wend

Wend,

If you google, "genuki warrington" it should give you various cemeteries and Catholic churches, graveyards, etc. in the Warrington area.

Warrington is about 20 miles from Liverpool, families had difficulties paying for funerals, transportation costs were probably out of reach.

The newspaper article may well have information as to his burial. fingers crossed.

BindyWend wrote: ↑

26 Jun 2019 13:31

Next, Ford Cemetery, did it have a church ? I have goggled and cannot find anything for one or for BAPTISM records.
If there wasn't a church at Ford Cemetery, what would be the nearest for Roman Catholics ? I did notice on the Burials, all of them was Direct to the Grave, so no service.

Just to clarify about Ford Burials, Ford, Yew Tree and Ainsdale are the three RC cemeteries covering the Liverpool area, the burials would take place after a service at the deceased's local RC church. We often suggest checking the newspapers - probably the Liverpool Echo or Daily Post - as many funerals were notified in the paper, giving details of time and date of the service and later where the burial was.