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Mary,

Sandy Shelley enquiry,

I was having a look and perhaps this may help.

Byrne is the maiden name, 3 children, Daniel, 1862, James, 1868, Mary, 1870, all MMN, Byrne.

Not yet looked for Henry,

1871,

RG10 P3772 F48 P5,
Mary Martin
Age:
34
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1837, Liverpool
Relation:
Wife
Spouse's Name:
James Martin

Thank you, I'll post a link to this thread, encourage her to come and join.

Thank you so much for taking the time to check this out for me.
Am I to assume the reason I couldn't find them is because Henry McCABE died, and Mary re-married to James Martin? It would certainly explain why I couldn't find them anywhere.
regards, Sandy

Sandy,

I can't find a death for Henry in the UK,

If he was a Mariner, perhaps death at sea? needs to be considered.

also could have went their separate ways and Mary was in a bigamous marriage, though I think unlikely.

Deaths at sea are listed on Findmypast

Thank you so much for your help. I couldn't find a death for Henry either, so I will search some more later as you suggested. I found a baptism for Daniel, and a death for another possible son, James Steven who was born 1866 and died 1867, the year before the other James was born. No baptism found for him or Mary. None of them appear to have died, yet none are with parents in 1881. It's difficult to be sure I have the right parents, as there are quite a few Martins with the same names, but I think I finally got them right, and located them in 61, 71 & 81.
At least with your help I've gone someway to discovering what became of Mary, and for that I thank you very much.
Regards, Sandy

Name:
Maria Martin
[Mary Martin]
Age:
0
Birth Date:
7 Aug 1870
Baptism Date:
Aug 1870
Baptism Place:
St Mary's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:
Jacobi Martin
Mother:
Maria Byrnes

Baptism for deceased child,
Buried at Ford.


Jacobus Stephenaus Martin
Age:
0
Birth Date:
27 Dec 1865
Baptism Date:
31 Dec 1865
Baptism Place:
St Mary's, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Father:
Jacobi Martin
Mother:
Maria Burns

Thank you. I also found those two baptisms, plus burial for James Steven.
I found the following also baptised at St Mary Highfield...
Daniel born 27 Oct 1861, bapt. 3 Nov 1861
Thomas born 13 July 1873, bapt. 15 July 1873
I did not find James born 1868 who was registered 2Q1868, and appears on the 1871 census.

I also found another Thomas born 28 July 1863, bapt. 2 Aug 1863 at Our Lady of Reconcilliation de la Salette, whose mmn was recorded as Burnes, so not sure that one is correct for this family, but I did find his burial in 1866.

There seem to be quite a few James Martin's married to Maria/Mary, that I might be missing them on the 1881 census. I found a James & Mary, that look right, age wise, but they were boarders, and Mary was stated as being a Nurse. None of the children were with them, and I've not found them elsewhere. I searched for a death for Daniel, but nothing found. I need to search again, and maybe widen the field outside of Liverpool, and possibly see if they went to Ireland where James was apparently born.
Thank you once again for your assistance.
Sandy

Thomas Martin, burial 1866 has the same address, 88 Leeds St, as James Steven burial and the family 1871 census address.

Age slightly out, may be worth looking into,

Criminal register, 4 12 1877,

Daniel Martin, receiving stolen property, 1 month and 5 years, Clarence.

Clarence was a Catholic Boys Reformatory ship moored in the Mersey.

1881 census,
RG11 P3571 F75 P7

Dan. Martin
Age:
18
Estimated Birth Year:
abt 1863
Where born:
Lpool, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish:
Vessels
Street address:
"Clarence"
Occupation:
Reformatory Boy

Bert, thank you once again. I hadn't even checked addresses, so I'm glad you had the foresight to check it. Good to know the first Thomas also belongs, although I'm puzzled why he was baptised in a different church.
I will take another look at census and check out the info you found for a possible Daniel.
Your help is greatly appreciated, and I thank you for the time you have spent on this.
Sandy

I've now found James widowed on the 1881 census at Vauxhall Road, with children, James, Thomas & Mary. They were recorded as MARTON, and James' age was 20 years adrift, due to reading a 5 as a 3. I added corrections to both errors for future researchers benefit. Mary died January 1881 and was buried at St Oswald, where both her parents and stepmother were buried. James died at the same address as his wife, (although a few numbers different to the house number in 1881) in Vauxhall Road in 1890 and was buried at Ford.
Now the next task is to follow the children, see if Daniel eventually saw the error of his ways, and try and determine what happened to Henry McCabe. All of which can be put off for another time.
Right now I'm happy to have found this much, that might have taken a lot longer without your input.
Once again, thank you.
Sandy

Sandy,

You're very welcome and well done.

Thank you.
I have one further update.
James Martin & Mary/Maria McCabe were married at St Peters Priory, on either 25th or 28th December 1860. Actual date was difficult to determine, but at least we now know they did marry.

Sandy