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Hi everyone.

If any of you have access street directories at home, I wonder if you could do me a favour.

James Maddox and his wife Ann were living in Mould Street in 1844 when their daughter was christened and I am interested to know what number they lived at.

They were in Birkenhead on the 1841 census and were living in Mount Pleasant when their son was christened in 1848 and still there on the 1851 census and I would be interested to find out where they were between 1841 and 1848.

Any help would be much appreciated.

Regards,
Glen

1843 Gores,

94 Chester Street, Birkenhead

Glen,

Thomas Antrobus was living in Mould Street, 1845, Electoral Reg

He's one of yours isn't he?

Is this your man, James Maddox, estate agent and register office, 22a Mount Pleasant on Gore's Directory of Liverpool 1849?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=724489


Blue

1843 Gores,

Thomas Antrobus, 9 Mould St.

James Maddock, house agent, &c. 24 Mount Pleasant on Mcorquodale's 1848 Directory:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=724489


Blue

Blue70 wrote: ↑

12 May 2018 19:50

James Maddock, house agent, &c. 24 Mount Pleasant on Mcorquodale's 1848 Directory:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=724489


Blue

51 census, 24 Mount Pleasant, draper and Agent.

Thanks Bert. The Gore's Directories for 1845 and 1847 on Family Search don't appear to list him. There may not be directories for 1844 and 1846 as Family Search seem to have all the earlier Gore's Directories online, presumably all filmed from copies held at the Liverpool Record Office. Here are the Maddox lists from 1845 and 1847:-

1845

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=241645


1847

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=241645


Not among the residents of Mount Pleasant in Gore's Directory 1847:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=241645



Blue

Sorry, folks, I had forgotten some directories were on Familysearch and you have given me that information, Blue. Always good to have the views of you guys anyway.

The draper/agent is indeed the one I was following up - given the 1851 census, I just hadn't expected him to be an estate agent!

I'm very impressed you made the Antrobus link, Bert - it was this link that triggered this line of enquiry.
The Thomas Antrobus from Mould Street was the brother of my 2x great grandmother, Hannah, and it is the parents of their father that I am trying to nail.

I am following a theory that Thomas Antrobus Snr was born in Thornton-le-moors, Cheshire, in 1778 (1841 census says he was born outside Lancs snf the d.o.b. is within 2 years of the date on the census and his death certificate.
A witness at Hannah's wedding in 1837 was an Ann Lightfoot - according to the Antrobus family I am looking at, this would have been the granddaughter of Thomas's brother and she was born the year after Hannah.
It is Ann Lightfoot who married James Maddox in Thornton-le-moors in 1840 but by the time her first child is being christened in 1844, she is living in the same street as Thomas Antrobus Jnr. Even when she moved to Mount Pleasant, she was only a few minutes walk away from Hannah as Hannah lived in Upper Newington.

Not sure if I have enough evidence to say I have found the family of Thomas Antrobus or not - do you think what I have is too circumstantial, or given that I am back to the 1770s is this as good as I am going to get?
How would you folks call it?

G.

Just wondering if there was any way I could track Thomas Antrobus from his birth in Thornton-le-Moors in 1778 (assuming I a in the right family!) to his marriage in Liverpool in 1801 - are there any records I could explore?

Just wondering too if James and Ann Maddox were stopping with cousin Thomas Antrobus in Mould Street in 1844 - might explain why they were not on the street directories if they were just there for a short while.

G.

I would never overlook Wills, don't just look at those of the people you know about, but also others who might just make mention of their relatives, this could help you. The list of early Wills is here https://user.xmission.com/~nelsonb/will ... &yrrange=0 but if you can't find copies online, perhaps on the familysearch site, then you can probably find them at the Lancashire Record Office, Bow Lane, Preston - take a camera, charge for this was £5 don't know if that has changed, but you could copy quite a number in the day for that price.

Thanks, Mary. I have looked at Wills before but did not know know about that site or the Preston resource.

Keeping with the Maddox link with the hope it will lead me to finding out more about the Antrobus line, I wonder if anyone can fine Ann Maddox (i.e. wife of James Maddox and previously Ann Lightfoot) on the 1861 census?

I can find James (still living in 24 Mount Pleasant where the family was in 1851) but not Ann and I know she did not die until 1865. James died in 1872 but it is there son (Alfred Lightfoot Maddox) who is mentioned in the Probate records rather than her husband - don't know if this is significant or not.
Ann was born in 1819 in Dunham Hill.

And a final question: I've seen James Maddox described as a 'Keeper of Register Office for Servants' but this appears to have been amended to 'for Service'. What is this all about?

Glen.

The Maddoxes ran a kind of employment agency for domestic servants at 24 Mount Pleasant. This example ad is from the
Liverpool Daily Post of 24 September 1867:

By May 1860 Mrs Maddox was running another branch of the servants institution at 122 London Road. You will see that they are also involved in recruiting for positions in the Isle of Man

Many thanks, 'retiringtype'!

The London Road address fits in as this is the address mentioned in the Probate papers and her son who was named in them was also in the hotel trade.

Was the date of the first ad 1857 (rather than 1867) as Ann Maddox died in 1865?

Now, where was she at the time of the 1861 census? London Road perhaps - I wonder?

G.

Was the date of the first ad 1857 (rather than 1867) as Ann Maddox died in 1865?

No it's definitely 1867. There are daily adverts for the Mount Pleasant "institution" around that time, sometimes it is Mr Maddox, sometimes Mrs Maddox. There are also adverts for the one in London Road which in 1865 is run by "Miss Maddox, successor to the late Mrs Maddox" and in 1866 and 1867 by Miss Wright "successor to the late Mrs Maddox" .

Liverpool Mercury 24-2-1865

I can't find that particular stretch of London road in the 1861 census but it does look like Ann Maddox was living at 122. She is listed there in 1860 Gore's directory.

Also listed at 122 London Road in 1862 Gore's Directory:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=241645


Blue