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I am currently doing my Grandmother's family, all has gone well up until now. I am trying to find out about an Issac Dickenson he was married at the Parish church of St Nicholas in Liverpool on 11th January 1816 to a woman named Jane Burgess (widow). I wondered if anyone can help me find out more about Issac's family from the parish records.

Hi and welcome to the forum.

The only Isaac Dickenson I can see in the 1841 census is living in Rose Hill, age 50, labourer with wife Betty 50 and Thomas 15 Enginesmith, Curwine C? 15, and William 10.

Would this be the same man in a second marriage?

Your Isaac and Jane appear to have had two daughters baptised in St Nicholas, Martha and Phoebe on 24 Sep 1827. The address given is Smithfield Street and his occupation is Block Maker.

He's not listed in the 1825 & 1827 Directories.
There are two entries for Isaac Dickenson in the 1843 Directory.
Book keeper, Holt Hill, Tranmere, Cheshire
Shopkeeper, 15 Richmond Street

There are 8 baptisms for their children on LAN-OPC:

Baptism: 4 Apr 1819 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Dickinson - Son of Isaac Dickinson & Jane
Abode: Smithfield St.
Occupation: Block Maker
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1817 - 1820 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 4, Entry 105
Source: LDS Film 1068890
Baptism: 4 Apr 1819 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Phoebe Dickinson - Daughter of Isaac Dickinson & Jane
Abode: Smithfield St.
Occupation: Block Maker
Baptised by: J. Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1817 - 1820 from the Bishop's Transcripts, Page 4, Entry 104
Source: LDS Film 1068890
Baptism: 26 Apr 1820 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Sarah Dickinson - [Child] of Isaac Dickinson & Jane
Abode: Smithfield St
Occupation: Block Maker
Baptised by: P. Bulmer Curate
Register: Baptisms 1819 - 1820, Page 282, Entry 2255
Source: LDS film 1656418
Baptism: 28 Oct 1822 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Isaac Dickinson - Son of Isaac Dickinson & Jane
Abode: Smithfield St
Occupation: Block Maker
Baptised by: David Hewitt
Register: Baptisms 1822 - 1823, Page 130, Entry 1988
Source: LDSNo 1656418
Baptism: 15 Mar 1825 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Martha Dickenson - dau of Isaac Dickenson & Jane
Abode: Upper alias New Smithfield Street
Occupation: Block Maker
Baptised by: T. Kidd Curate
Register: Baptisms 1823 - 1825, Page 554, Entry 4424
Source: LDS Film 1656418
Baptism: 24 Sep 1827 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Martha Dickenson - [Child] of Isaac Dickenson & Jane
Abode: Smithfield Street
Occupation: Blockmaker
Baptised by: I Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1827, Entry 1131
Source: LDS Film 1068891
Baptism: 24 Sep 1827 St Nicholas, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Phoebe Dickenson - [Child] of Isaac Dickenson & Jane
Abode: Smithfield Street
Occupation: Blockmaker
Baptised by: I Pulford Curate
Register: Baptisms 1827, Entry 1127
Source: LDS Film 1068891
Baptism: 8 Feb 1830 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
James Dickinson - [Child] of Isaac Dickinson & Jane
Abode: Smithfield St
Occupation: Block Maker
Baptised by: William Goddard Offg. Curate
Register: Baptisms 1829 - 1830, Page 264, Entry 2110
Source: LDS Film 93878

A couple of marriages on LAN-OPC:

Marriage: 24 Sep 1838 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Swain - Full Age, Labourer, Bachelor, Wilde St
Sarah Dickinson - (X), Minor, Spinster, Burlington St
Groom's Father: James Swain, Potter
Bride's Father: Isaac Dickinson, Block Maker
Witness: William Wignall; Ann Wignall, (X)
Married by Banns by: J H Stafford Offg Minister
Register: Marriages 1838 - 1839, Page 151, Entry 302
Source: LDS Film 93920

Marriage: 2 Jul 1849 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Price - Full, Mariner, Bachelor, Wood St
Phebe Dickenson - (X), Full, Spinster, Hanover St
Groom's Father: William Price, Cooper
Bride's Father: Isaac Dickenson, Block Maker
Witness: Robert Cavanah; Eliza. Cavanah, (X)
Married by License by: John Wm. Welsh Off. Min.
Register: Marriages 1849 - 1850, Page 12, Entry 24
Source: LDS Film 1656510

Thank you for your help, Issac was indeed a block fitter ( as was mentioned during my appointment with the local genealogist at the local library this week). Is there any way of finding out about who Issac's parents were?

is there a marriage certificate for Sarah and William?

Yes of course there will be, but if you have an Ancestry sub you can view an image of the marriage register page in their Liverpool Church of England Marriages dataset. LAN-OPC has transcribed the detail faithfully.

How do I get access to the document?

Issac was indeed a block fitter

Not Issac (that is an Ancestry mistranscription). It's Isaac, and he was a block maker, not a fitter.

There is no more detail to be found on a marriage certificate for Sarah and William than has been transcribed by LAN-OPC but if you want to see the image of the register page, and you don't have an Ancestry sub, then you may be able to access Ancestry at your local library.

As to Isaac's antecedents, that is going to be tricky. There were several men with that name in Liverpool at that time. If you can tie down a burial record, that may give you his age which will narrow the field of possibilities.

I see that you have gone back and completely changed your question in a post that I had replied to, which is going to confuse anyone else reading this thread. It's certainly confusing me.

retiringtype wrote:A couple of marriages on LAN-OPC:

Marriage: 24 Sep 1838 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Swain - Full Age, Labourer, Bachelor, Wilde St
Sarah Dickinson - (X), Minor, Spinster, Burlington St
Groom's Father: James Swain, Potter
Bride's Father: Isaac Dickinson, Block Maker
Witness: William Wignall; Ann Wignall, (X)
Married by Banns by: J H Stafford Offg Minister
Register: Marriages 1838 - 1839, Page 151, Entry 302
Source: LDS Film 93920

Marriage: 2 Jul 1849 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
William Price - Full, Mariner, Bachelor, Wood St
Phebe Dickenson - (X), Full, Spinster, Hanover St
Groom's Father: William Price, Cooper
Bride's Father: Isaac Dickenson, Block Maker
Witness: Robert Cavanah; Eliza. Cavanah, (X)
Married by License by: John Wm. Welsh Off. Min.
Register: Marriages 1849 - 1850, Page 12, Entry 24
Source: LDS Film 1656510

Blue

sorry for confusing you retiringtype.

In the Bishops Transcripts for the parish of Liverpool (presumably St Peter's), there's a marriage for Samuel Burgess, a plasterer, and Jane Watkinson (spinster) on 8 June 1812. There is also a burial for a Samuel Burgess, a plasterer aged 22, on 2 August 1813. Abode Smithfield.

Given the address, this Jane seems likely to be your Jane Burgess.

One of the Isaac Dickensons in the Liverpool area was buried at St James Cemetery Liverpool on 24 October 1830, address Dixon Street Toxteth Park, aged 43 years (bc1787)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=396818


Jane and Phebe possibly in Cotter Street Toxteth in 1841:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQL7-5BF



Blue

Check this out. Considering that the address on the St James Cemetery burial appears to say Dixon Street Toxteth Park, there was at that time a Dickston Street off Smithfield Street that was later renamed Tomlin Street! Perhaps it has been assumed from the similar sounding name that the address was Dixon Street Toxteth Park and it should really be Dickston Street off Smithfield Street? If that was the case then this 1830 burial at St James Cemetery is the right Isaac.


Blue

Isaac may not have been born and baptised in Liverpool here is one of the possible candidates that I haven't found in later Yorkshire records:-

Isaac Dickinson
Baptised: 25 Feb 1784
Church: All Saints Church, Frickley, Clayton With Frickley, Yorkshire
Birth Date: 10 May 1783
Father's Name: James Dickinson
Mother's Name: Mary



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buttercup20 wrote:I am currently doing my Grandmother's family, all has gone well up until now. I am trying to find out about an Issac Dickenson he was married at the Parish church of St Nicholas in Liverpool on 11th January 1816 to a woman named Jane Burgess (widow). I wondered if anyone can help me find out more about Issac's family from the parish records.

Isaac and Jane were married at St Peter's CE Liverpool not St Nicholas here is the image:-






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retiringtype wrote:In the Bishops Transcripts for the parish of Liverpool (presumably St Peter's), there's a marriage for Samuel Burgess, a plasterer, and Jane Watkinson (spinster) on 8 June 1812. There is also a burial for a Samuel Burgess, a plasterer aged 22, on 2 August 1813. Abode Smithfield.

Given the address, this Jane seems likely to be your Jane Burgess.

St Peter's CE Liverpool





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