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I'm getting in a right tangle with this 'brick wall' and am wondering if a few fresh pairs of eyes can help.

Ultimately, I am trying to identify the parents of Mary Briscoe who married Thomas Antrobus (a butcher) in 1801 at St Nicholas's. Some years ago I submitted a post on this topic but I think I was barking up the wrong tree and have now come to the problem again.

The Marriage Bonds and Allegations showed Thomas's bondsman to be another butcher called Richard Earle. I now know Richard married a Hannah Briscoe in Little Budworth in 1796 - I have their Marriage Bond and Allegation and it shows Richard was born about 1770 and lived in Saghton, Chester while Hannah d.o.b. was about 1773 and she was living in Little Budworth.
Richard died in 1803 and I think Hannah is the butcher named in 1805 Gores living in Haymarket. I think she may have married a William Scarisbrick in 1806.

Another butcher in the 1805 Gores was James Earle and I think he was a witness as the Antrobus/Birscoe wedding. He married Alice Crooke in 1801 at St Ann's and a John Birscoe was the witness.

A Samuel Earle married a Margaret Briscoe (widow) at St Nicholas in 1766 and went on to have several children in Tarvin - their Bond/Allegation intriguingly gives their residence as 'Liverpool, Chester'!

I have also found a Bond/Allegation and marriage record for a Hannah Earle and Samuel Briscoe in 1783 in Kelsall - lots of links but I'm, not making the connections. Can anyone else help me identify the link between my Mary Briscow and Richard and James Earle, the bondsman and the marriage witness?

Many thanks for you patience if you have waded through this and still feel it is solve!

No solution but just collecting a bit of information. We are looking for a connection between two Briscoe girls? So baptisms both in Neston Parish

November 1780 Hannah daughter of John Briscoe of Ness, farmer by Elizabeth his wife, bap. 29th
December 1778 Mary daughter of John Briscoe of Ness, farmer by Elizabeth his wife, bap. 10th.

Same parents
May 1766, Thomas son of John Briscoe of Ness, Husbandman by Elizabeth his wife.
All below have John's occupation as farmer
January 1770 Daniel, bap. 28th?
January 1772 Alice, bap. 22nd
April 1773, John, bap. 13th?
January 1775 Betty, bap. 4th
May 1777, Jenny, bap. 19th
January 1782 Esther, bap. 9th

Could this be a possible family for the Briscoes?

Could well be a possibility - I hadn't broadened my search to Ness as I had looked in Liverpool (1841 census said Mary had been born there) and Tarvin where Samuel Earle and wife Margaret (nee Briscoe) had moved to. Yours is the first list that links Hannah and Mary as sisters. Although d.o.b are a little out, a marriage between Hannah and Richard Earle would have made Thomas Antrobus's bondsman Mary's brother-in-law and the John Briscoe born 1773 could have been the witness t the wedding.

Can anyone explain to me why the Bond/Allegation for Samuel and Margaret in 1766 has the residence for both of them being 'Liverpool, Chester'?
They were married in Liverpool.

G.

Was it because Liverpool was in the Diocese of Chester?


Blue

Liverpool was in the Diocese of Chester at that time.
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Louis

Snap!! Blue
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Louis

I thought I had a link on here to access the marriage bonds on Family Search but I can't find it so I've added a new thread see link below. Family Search now requires users to be signed in but it's well worth registering and is still free access. The camera icon on its own indicates that records are viewable, the camera icon with a key indicates that you can't access at home and there are other ways to access the records:-

https://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/ ... 43&t=16021


Blue

It may be worthwhile to search the Cheshire Archives and Local Studies website. The Cheshire Collection is also available on Find My Past.

http://archives.cheshire.gov.uk/home.aspx

A couple of wills which may be relevant:

Samuel Briscoe of Kelsall, Tarvin, a farmer, 1829.

Samuel Briscoe of Kelsall, a yeoman, 1741.
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Louis

Just thought I would post a quick thank you for your responses. I should have known about Liverpool being in the Cheshire diocese - how stupid of me so thank you for reminding me.

The Bonds/Allegations are proving useful as has your tip about the wills, Louis. The 1829 will is particularly interesting - seems that this Samuel Briscoe was quite wealthy. I thought at first it as the wrong family as he referred to his wife 'Elizabeth' but then a few names began to fall into place and I realised he had indeed been married to Hannah Earle, she had died in 1793 and he had then remarried.

I'm now sure that my Mary Briscoe who married Thomas Antrobus in Liverpool in 1801 is somehow linked to the Cheshire Briscoes but the final links are still proving elusive. The Neston lead mentioned by Mary does bring together the names of Hannah, Mary and and John Briscoe but I need a bit more digging yet!

Who would have believed that a small place like Tarvin and Kesall could have so many Briscoes and Earles?!

G

Just thought I would let those of you who offered suggestions an update of where I am with this one.

Last week I really thought I would be posting words of triumph as, having followed up the leads people on the forum suggested, I really believed I had found the Mary Briscoe who married Thomas Antrobus in 1801! However, after following up another suggestion and looking at the Wills I discovered I was wrong! Had it not been for checking all available evidence (i.e. the Wills) I would have merrily gone down the wrong route.
As well as giving me a timely reminder of the need to be even more vigilant the further back you go, my foray into the wrong family did tell me I am not necessarily looking for sister called Hannah and Mary Briscoe as I now know who the Hannah in my story is.
The Ness family Mary suggested could be promising - nothing to rule it out but nothing to confirm it as the right family.
I think I am probably all Briscoed- out for the time being so will come back to this puzzle at a later date.

Thanks to you all.
Glen

I'm glad you are looking all round the subject, Wills have proved invaluable to me in the past in either ruling in or out a line. Good luck I'm sure something will pop up to give you a clue soon.

Thanks for all your help on this one, folks. Still searching but I now have another promising line that suggests Thomas may have been born in Thornton-le-moors and the Neston Briscoes are still looking promising!

G.