Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Blue has been very helpful to members on this site with old maps showing individual buildings, sometimes numbered in streets in Liverpool. I wonder if he could help me with the above. Also does any one know when they were built and when they were demolished. My Mum's family were there from 1851 census up until my Gran had to move out when they were demolished. This would have been after 1935 because my Mum was married from there. I think they were demolished to build Tate and Lyles. Thanks.

To Start off a later map.

c1950s





Blue

It was already there in 1901
http://www.liverpool-city-group.com/str ... om/m11.htm

There are entries in the 1841 census for this street.

I can't find any of my family there in 1841 , but from 1851 the extended family lived at 5, 32, 34, 42, 60, 61 and 65 as well as 8 court. One , I think No 34 , was a shop. There were also family in Eaton St , Fords buildings, (which thanks to Blue, I now know where they were) and Maguire Street.

There was a number of early Liverpool maps online but they have disappeared. I have a small 1821 map that is difficult to view but it looks like Gascoyne Street is on it so perhaps the street was built in the 1800s or 1810s. If you look at the directories on Family Search that might give you a better idea when the street was built. Here is the earliest map I have with any detail of the courts etc:-

c1850/60s




This map below shows numbered courts, it looks like on the south side right to left courts appearing are 1, 3, 5, 11, 13, 15, 17 and on the north side right to left are 2 and 8 but to be sure compare the two maps:-

c1890s





Blue

Blue70 wrote:If you look at the directories on Family Search that might give you a better idea when the street was built.

Never thought of that.

The street is mentioned on the 1827 Gores but not the 1825 Baines.

Thank you all. Another problem solved Pye Place is part of the same area. never knew that. that was an 1841 address as well. These courts seem so much better with names rather than numbers, don't they?
I guess the even number houses are on the north side, just like the even numbered courts were on the north side. So number 34 which was the house/ shop where both my mum and gran were born must have been on that side. Perhaps half way down and between two other houses. I have a photo of it so I think I know that. You have been so helpful thankyou, but can we guess at the numbers. From the directories perhaps

What is the name you are looking for and what sort of years interest you most?

It's difficult for me to work out the numbers not having a subscription to census records. The usual way to do it is to look at the properties on the census and compare it to the map and count spaces. I was looking at McCorquodale's directory of 1848 and it's thrown up another problem. It has the even courts on the odd side! The majority of the courts were on the south side and by the 1890s these were odd numbered but in the directory they are even numbered. Numbers were often changed and the street didn't remain the same for a long period of time. Properties came and went. It seems to be one of those streets that Gore's usually missed off. Have a look at the directory I mentioned not all the properties are listed:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=724489
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=724489



Blue

Gore's Directory 1803 includes the street in its list of street names no mention in Gore's 1800:-

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=384709


Blue

Using the free address search on FMP's 1939 Register there's 11 results for this street so there were still residents living there then. Kelly's Directory 1938 has the following:-




The street as it looked in 2014 can be viewed here:-

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.41392 ... 312!8i6656



Blue

Thanks again Blue. I have been to Liverpool with the express intention of finding Gascoyne Street as it played such a large part in my family history. As such O have many photos of where I thought number 34 must be. (But thanks any way).
When the 39 register first came out I bought a few credits and my Gran and 2 of her adult children were living there then at number 34.
I must be a right idiot !!! If we look at your first map from 1950 , it numbers the buildings.
54, 56 and 58 are on the right facing from Vauxhall Rd. They are occupied by Ambulance Staffand are next to the ambulance station that replaced some of the houses/ courts down that end and Pye Place. There are no houses listed between 28 and 54, so perhaps they only listed bussiness type inhabitants.
Mary , I know the address that the Harrisons, Howards, Roberts and all the others lived at, but as the family lived there from 1841 to 1939 , I am interested in the history of the street and its environs and any help or photos very much appreciated.

It's a lot of work to create a profile of a street through time especially difficult with this street as there were courts and various business properties. Business properties changed a lot through time so it can be like sketching shifting sands trying to get a profile together. You're best using the census records and do individual profiles for each census year.


Blue

If you look at this 1920s map and count left to right on the north side from "L'pool Corp", which presumably was number 60 as it was on the site of the later extended Ambulance Depot, there are more properties featured. Sometimes properties were numbered differently say 40a which can throw out the estimated sequence of numbers. If we assume they are in sequence then there is a possible run on this 1920s map of numbers 60 to 32 from left to right on the north side of Gascoyne Street:-

1920s





Blue

I noticed a new road called Pumpfields Road was added at some point late last century or early this one it split Gascoyne Street in two with the old L'pool Corpy/Ambulance site on one side of Pumpfields Road and the rest of the road on the other side. Modern aerial views are quite useful when comparing them to old maps. Some of the "blocks" look the same size:-

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.41285 ... a=!3m1!1e3


I think 34 was possibly in the vicinity of the scaffolding business with the notices about parking and guard dogs:-

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.41373 ... 312!8i6656



Blue

I agree blue, I will print out the censuses that I haven't already got and your very helpful maps (If that's ok) and go on an adventure. . Number 34 looks like a very salubrious dwelling on google. What with no parking and guard dogs!!!
Thanks for all your help.

The scaffolding business has a website listing its depots the Liverpool address is Eaton Street so that Gascoyne Street view is the back of the depot. I don't think it will have a Gascoyne Street address so no number.


Blue

Blue. The electoral roll. 1879-80 is listed as all of Gascoyne st. What a gift. I now have a list of most of the houses and where the courts where for that year, which coincides with one of your maps . Game on.
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Hi - just seen your questions re when Gascoyne street was built- my ancestor (Thomas Taylor Shipwright) was living here when baptising his children from 1805 until 1811. (Mary Anne, Willian Meadows, Thomas, James and Peter - all Taylor, mother Anne Bews) I have found a map of 1785 where it does not exist so my guess is somewhere between the two dates.
Hope this helps. I am struggling to get beyond this date in Liverpool for my ancestors as Taylor is a common name. Would love to talk to anyone with Taylor ancestors in Liverpool prior to 1800 who has made progress and might be able to help. Jill

Thanks for that Jill. I had no idea the road was that old. Unfortunatly I don't have any Taylor relatives in my family, but It can be ok following fairly common surnames . Have you trie the Lancashire on line parish clerk. http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/ It doesn't have every church on it but there are lots from around Gascoyne St.