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I am hoping someone who has the Kelly's Dictionary or other street or person Dictionary for 1906 - 1910..could tell me if Nathan & Edith Rankin lived in 8Leicester Road L20 between those years please....I know they lost two children before 1911 and have come across a death certificate with Nathan's name at the above address....I know they lived at 48 Thornton Road in 1911...well Edith did Nathan was at sea with the Merchant Navy..
Many Thanks
Anglesey Lady

Te 1911 Gores Directory (which would be prepared during the year previously) lists Alfred Hazlewood at that address and at 48 Thornton Road was Joseph Henry Willis, a slater.

MaryA wrote:Te 1911 Gores Directory (which would be prepared during the year previously) lists Alfred Hazlewood at that address and at 48 Thornton Road was Joseph Henry Willis, a slater.

Gosh I am surprised because I have 1911 census....and I have Mary Moody...Charles Moody...Nathan Rankin...Edith Rankin and Edith Smith living there ..but I suppose as you say the Directorys where written a year before and I don't know the exact date they moved to Thornton Road...
Thanks for you help "MaryA"

FMP has Electoral Registers 1832-1932

1911 entry for Nathan Rankin shows

RANKIN, Nathan
Place of Abode 8 Leicester Road
Nature of Qualification Dwelling House Successive
Description of Qualifying property 94 Thornton Road, 111 Clare Road, 8 Leicester Road.

I assume that this means that between the time of drawing up the Electoral Register and publication he had moved.

1912 shows Place of abode as 48 Thornton road and Description shows this address AND 8 Leicester Road.

Not sure that 94 and 48 Thornton road are different houses. Street numbers often changed.

alex69 wrote:FMP has Electoral Registers 1832-1932

1911 entry for Nathan Rankin shows

RANKIN, Nathan
Place of Abode 8 Leicester Road
Nature of Qualification Dwelling House Successive
Description of Qualifying property 94 Thornton Road, 111 Clare Road, 8 Leicester Road.

I assume that this means that between the time of drawing up the Electoral Register and publication he had moved.

1912 shows Place of abode as 48 Thornton road and Description shows this address AND 8 Leicester Road.

Not sure that 94 and 48 Thornton road are different houses. Street numbers often changed.

Thank you so much...Yes they did live at 94 Thornton Road not sure for how long ...So the baby's death certificate is definitely there's...don't you just love it when the jigsaw falls into place I am so grateful thank you again...but please excuse my ignorance what is FMP...I am quite a novice at all this tracing of family...
Anglesey Lady...
PS I have a feeling that maybe Nathan's wife (my great aunt) might have moved to 48 Thornton Road to be with her mother because she had lost the baby and Nathan was at sea on the Allan liners...because she mother, sister and brother lived there as well....

Anglesey lady wrote:what is FMP...

FMP just an abbreviation for Findmypast.com which has terms and conditions that preclude our offering or requesting look ups on their site - so when we have information that may ultimately be available on there, we have obtained it from the National Archives. There's nothing to stop us recommending it as they usually offer a two week free trial.

Are you aware Nathan Rankin was recorded twice for the 1911 census, at home and on board the "Tunisian"

also this record,

Royal Navy Registers of Seaman's services,

Nathan Rankin
Birth
8 Apr 1878
Birth Place:
Newton Stewart, Wigtown
First Service Date:
9 Jan 1894
First Ship Served On:
Impregnable
Last Service Date:
5 Feb 1901
Last Ship Served On:
Cambridge
Service Number:
178132
On the above record it states he had an alias, Nathan McClelland.

If it helps,

RG12, P2970, F51, Page30,
1891
Nathan Mc Clelland 42
Margaret Mc Clelland 31
Nathan Mc Clelland 12
James Mc Clelland 11
Jessie Mc Clelland 8
Margaret Mc Clelland 5
Mary J Mc Clelland 2
John Mc Clelland 1/12
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/s ... h=25380591

1881, Scotland.
James Rankin 49
Elizabeth Rankin 56
James Rankin 18
Robert Rankin 14
Margaret McLelland 21
Nathan McLelland 2
James McLelland 1
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/s ... ource=6598

Marriage & Birth Scots People to open,

MCCLELLAND
NATHAN,
RANKIN
MARGARET,
1878
895/ 9
Penninghame,

Birth,

RANKIN
NATHAN
M
1878
895/ 49
Penninghame

Possible,

Margaret McClelland, death, Jan Qtr, 1893, West Derby, 8b 369.

Marriage,
Nathaniel McClelland/Isabella McGill, Sept Qtr, 1893, 8b 892, Registrar Attended.

Death,
Nathaniel McClelland, West Derby, 1908.

?

Isabella McClelland/McGill, died 1899 aged 52, West Derby, 8b 306

Marriage, Nathan McClelland/Catherine Skillicorn, 1901, West Derby, 8b 1001.

SKILLICORN Catherine, MCLELLAND Nathan, West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool

MaryA wrote:

Anglesey lady wrote:what is FMP...

FMP just an abbreviation for Findmypast.com which has terms and conditions that preclude our offering or requesting look ups on their site - so when we have information that may ultimately be available on there, we have obtained it from the National Archives. There's nothing to stop us recommending it as they usually offer a two week free trial.

I can't believe how thick I am not realising that Mary A ...I belong to it untill 22ed January...when I will sign up again ...many thanks...I find the least you put in when you are searching the better...when I have put all I know I get nothing back but when just put name and DOB I get lots back...
Anglesey Lady..

Bertieone wrote:Are you aware Nathan Rankin was recorded twice for the 1911 census, at home and on board the "Tunisian"

also this record,

Royal Navy Registers of Seaman's services,

Nathan Rankin
Birth
8 Apr 1878
Birth Place:
Newton Stewart, Wigtown
First Service Date:
9 Jan 1894
First Ship Served On:
Impregnable
Last Service Date:
5 Feb 1901
Last Ship Served On:
Cambridge
Service Number:
178132
On the above record it states he had an alias, Nathan McClelland.

Yes for some reason he used his mothers maiden name Rankin ...I did find the above as well...I also have his death certificate and he died aged 40 at 48 Thornton Road of TB which he had been suffering from for 4 years...
He had the same name as his father before he used the Alias..
Thank you so much for you help I am very greatful...

Anglesey Lady

Bertieone wrote:Are you aware Nathan Rankin was recorded twice for the 1911 census, at home and on board the "Tunisian"

also this record,

Royal Navy Registers of Seaman's services,

Nathan Rankin
Birth
8 Apr 1878
Birth Place:
Newton Stewart, Wigtown
First Service Date:
9 Jan 1894
First Ship Served On:
Impregnable
Last Service Date:
5 Feb 1901
Last Ship Served On:
Cambridge
Service Number:
178132
On the above record it states he had an alias, Nathan McClelland.

Yes I did see that maybe my great grandmother throught as the head of the household she had to put him down...but she did write at the side "at sea"
Thank you so much

Anglesey lady

I have also found out that Nathan's family moved to Liverpool from Scotland and then up to Manchester ...it said that his father was a Shipwright at one stage ??

Anglesey lady

Bertieone wrote:If it helps,

RG12, P2970, F51, Page30,
1891
Nathan Mc Clelland 42
Margaret Mc Clelland 31
Nathan Mc Clelland 12
James Mc Clelland 11
Jessie Mc Clelland 8
Margaret Mc Clelland 5
Mary J Mc Clelland 2
John Mc Clelland 1/12
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/s ... h=25380591

1881, Scotland.
James Rankin 49
Elizabeth Rankin 56
James Rankin 18
Robert Rankin 14
Margaret McLelland 21
Nathan McLelland 2
James McLelland 1
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/s ... ource=6598

Thank you for your help..

Anglesey Lady