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Hi, I'm new to this forum and I'm wondering if anyone can help me unravel Beesley/Adams marriages in Preston. My great-greatgrandfather was John Adams who was widowed and married Alice Beesley at St John's in Preston on 21st August 1823. He had a son Henry - my great-grandfather - who married a Mary Tomlinson on the 13th April 1842 in Liverpool. They were the parents of my grandfather Richard Adams. I believe that Mary died and then Henry Adams remarried an Ellen Beesley on the 13th October 1858 at St John's in Preston.

I'm wondering whether the Alice Beesley who married John Adams was somehow related to the Ellen Beesley who married Henry Adams, and if so how. Can anyone cast more light on this ?

Any thoughts would be much appreciated. Thanks, Gordon

Hi

Welcome to the forum. Here is the 1858 marriage showing Ellen's father's details:-

Marriage: 13 Oct 1858 St John, Preston, Lancs.
Henry Adams - 34, Draper, Widower, Liverpool
Ellen Beesley - 35, Spinster, Chapel St
Groom's Father: John Adams, Tobaconnist & Draper
Bride's Father: Barton Beesley, Land Agent
Witness: William Penny; Thos. Barker
Married by License by: John Owen Parr, Vicar
Register: Marriages 1858 - 1859, Page 28, Entry 56
Source: LDS Film 93996

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Preston/Prest ... index.html


I think this is Ellen's parent's marriage:-

Marriage: 3 Jan 1821 St John, Preston, Lancashire, England
Barton Beesley - Land Agent Widower of the Parish of Chorley
Frances Jennings - Spinster of this Parish
Witness: I? Forrest?; Jno. Jennings; Ellen Jennings
Married by Licence by: Roger Carus Wilson. Vicar
Register: Marriages 1817 - 1821, Page 239, Entry 2
Source: LDS Film 94014

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Preston/Prest ... index.html


Ellen's baptism:-

Baptism: 27 May 1822 St John the Baptist, Broughton, Lancashire, England
Ellen Beesley - Dau of Barton Beesley & Frances
Born: 26 Oct 1821
Abode: Chorley
Occupation: Land Agent
Baptised by: Wm. Dixon Incumbt. Minister
Register: Baptisms 1813 - 1843, Page 29, Entry 227
Source: LDS Film 1470861

http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Broughton/stjohn/index.html



Blue

More on Barton Beesley:-

Baptism

Baptism: 5 Aug 1787 St John the Baptist, Broughton, Lancashire, England
Barton Beesley - S of George Beesley
Abode: Fulwood
Register: Baptisms 1759 - 1804, Page 32, Entry 20
Source: LDS Film 1470861

First marriage

Marriage: 23 Nov 1815 St Laurence, Chorley, Lancashire, England
Barton Beesley - Agent, Bachelor, Chorley
Ann Ellershaw - Spinster, Chorley
Witness: Francis Wallis; Joanna Beesley
Married by Licence by: William Radcliffe Minister of Walton le dale
Register: Marriages 1813 - 1827, Page 49, Entry 145
Source: LDS Film 93705

Burial

Burial: 6 Aug 1829 St John the Baptist, Broughton, Lancashire, England
Barton Beesley -
Age: 42 yrs
Abode: Chorley
Occupation: Land Agent
Buried by: Robt. Dixon Off. Minister St. Lawrence
Register: Burials 1813 - 1848, Page 42, Entry 336
Source: LDS Film 1470861


Blue

Is this Alice's burial?:-

Burial: 23 Jul 1841 St John, Preston, Lancs.
Alice Adams -
Age: 50
Abode: Mount Pleasant
Buried by: J Clark
Performed at: Trinity
Register: Burials 1840 - 1842, Page 214, Entry 1708
Source: Original register at Lancashire Archives


If so she was born c1791 so you are looking for a c1791 baptism here's one possible there may be more:-

Baptism: 8 Mar 1791 St Thomas, Upholland, Lancashire, England
Alice Beesley - Daughter of Michal Beesley
Abode: Orrell
Occupation: Malster
Notes: was privately bapt. Febry. 25 and admitted March the 8th
Register: Baptisms 1789 - 1812, Page 7, Entry 12
Source: LDS Film 1657546


Blue

hi Blue,

Thank you so much for that information - very helpful.

Regards, Gordon

There is an ALICE BEESLEY daughter of George baptised 1st June 1800 at St John the Baptist, Broughton.

BARTON BEESLEY son of George is also baptised there 5th August 1787.

looks as though ALICE who married JOHN ADAMS could be the sister of BARTON. If so then ELLEN would be the niece of ALICE ie ALICE was ELLEN's father's sister.

Alex

Blue70 wrote:Is this Alice's burial?:-

Burial: 23 Jul 1841 St John, Preston, Lancs.
Alice Adams -
Age: 50
Abode: Mount Pleasant
Buried by: J Clark
Performed at: Trinity
Register: Burials 1840 - 1842, Page 214, Entry 1708
Source: Original register at Lancashire Archives


If so she was born c1791 so you are looking for a c1791 baptism here's one possible there may be more:-

Baptism: 8 Mar 1791 St Thomas, Upholland, Lancashire, England
Alice Beesley - Daughter of Michal Beesley
Abode: Orrell
Occupation: Malster
Notes: was privately bapt. Febry. 25 and admitted March the 8th
Register: Baptisms 1789 - 1812, Page 7, Entry 12
Source: LDS Film 1657546


Blue

Possible links to other baptisms is why I asked above is this Alice's burial as that would mean she was born c1791 so therefore not related. Gordon can you give us more on whether Alice died in 1841 or not. The abode (Mount Pleasant) where she was living was I think the same as where Henry was living in the 1841 Census.


Blue

hi Alex, Blue,

Thanks for your replies. Yes, I believe that Alice's burial was on the 23 July 1841 in Preston.

Alex's suggestion that Ellen was the niece of Alice could make sense, although there seem to be so many Beesley's around that area !

I'm also trying to Henry Adams' first wife Mary (Tomlinson) who he married in 1842 at Our Lady and St. Nicholas and St Anne, Liverpool. I am a descendant Richard Adams, his son by this first marriage. Given the date, there's not really any census information I can use to figure who Mary's parents were.

Richard then married Mary Hays on the 25 July 878 at St Michael, Toxteth Park. I know her father was a William Henry Hays, but here again, I can't find any census information that helps me find out more about her. Unless there's other information available I will probably apply for the marriage certificates to find out more.

Best regards, Gordon.

Gordon,

Father of Mary Tomlinson, marriage to Henry Adams, 1842, was Lawrence Tomlinson.

Child born 1846, Liverpool, John Howarth Adams, mothers maiden name, Tomlinson.

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Marriage, 1819, Gisburne, York,

Lawrence Tomlinson/Mary Howarth.

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/ ... PUBJs=true

Wow ! Thanks Bert,

So I didn't pick up on John Howarth because I was looking at census information only. He doesn't appear on the 1851 census because he died the same year as he was born.

Regards, Gordon

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Marriage,
William Hays/Frances Massey
1839, Liverpool,

1861 census, Sheffield,
RG9 P3476 F46 P2

William Hay 41 Liverpool,
Frances Hay 39
John Hay 20
David Massey Hay 18
Ann Hay 16
William Hay 15
Elizabeth Hay 13
Edward Hay 11
Frances Hay 7
Mary Hay 5
Sarah Hay 2

Baptism,

Mary Hay
Age:
17
Birth Date:
18 Jul 1856
Baptism Date:
10 Jun 1874
Baptism Place:
Toxteth, St James, Lancashire, England

Father:
William Hay
Mother:
Frances Hay

MASSEY Frances HAY William Liverpool, St. Philip Liverpool

Lancs BMD

Transcribed on Ancestry as William Hog,

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/ ... PUBJs=true

Just concerned about Mary Hays declaring father William deceased on marriage cert to Richard?

perhaps wrong family above?

Thanks Bert, yes I think it's the wrong family.

The Mary Hays that married Richard Adams in 1878 was born in Preston, Lancs, as in the 1911 census. The year of birth is right though - 1856. Their marriage certificate indicates that the father is William HENRY Hays (deceased) and it's Hays with an 's' rather than Hay.

She died on the 18th February 1939 and was buried in Allerton Cemetery, but that doesn't help much in figuring out who her father was.

cheers, Gordon.

Here's the transcription of the marriage from the Parish Registers:
Marriage: 25 Jul 1878 St Michael in the Hamlet, Aigburth, Lancs.
Richard Adams - 25 Rule Maker Bachelor of Fletcher St
Mary Hays - 22 Spinster of Fletcher St
Groom's Father: Henry Adams, Tailor & Draper
Bride's Father: William Henry Hays, Deceased
Witness: James Jackson; Elizabeth Locyens
Married by Banns by: Thomas Warrington
Register: Marriages 1878 - 1880, Page 38, Entry 76
Source: LDS Film 2147883.

I think I'll try and get a copy of the marriage certificate so I can what's actually written on it. The transcription has an 'Elizabeth Locyens' as a witness, but to the best of my knowledge there's no such name as 'Locyens'. This must be a very poor transcription. The other thing that occurs to me is that the Hays family were Irish immigrants. I found an entry in the 1871 census for a William Hays (widower) from Ireland living in Widnes. He has a son John, born in Ireland in 1850, and a daughter Mary, born in England in 1856. If this is the case, then it will be pretty much impossible to track the family.

Gordon.

As Bert has shown we have access to various marriage record images so before you order any from the GRO ask us if we have access to any particular images of interest.


Blue

As far as I can see Mary Hays married to Richard Adams (Rule Maker) was born in Liverpool according to all Censuses 1881-1911 inclusive.

I'm not seeing a Mary Hays born Preston.

Alex