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Hi I'm trying to find John Tisdale and his family (could be Teasdale?) born 1845ish in Liverpool. He lived in House 2, 6 Court, St Andrew Street. He died between 1881 and 1891 ( he wasn't on census that year?)

Hi

Welcome to the forum. He was a butcher wasn't he? Buried at Anfield Cemetery on 10th February 1891:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=397178


Death Index:-

John Teasdale
Age: 45
Jan/Feb/Mar 1891
Liverpool
Vol: 8b
Page: 100

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/



Blue

Than you. Yes he was a butcher, I'm trying to find anything about his parents, another John! A census for 1901 or 1911 would help.

Sorry census for 1891 or 1881

Just for info for others wanting to help, marriage of John Teesdale & Mary Elizabeth Fearon at St Simon CE Liverpool on 21 Dec 1873:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=586905


Blue

I'm struggling to find a father called John. I keep being drawn to George Teasdale and Ellen Ellison who married at St Peter's Liverpool in 1837:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=122430


Here they are in 1841:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ2Y-C7P


This could be John in 1851 with older sister Jane wrongly described as being his mother, younger brother William and grandmother not mother Betty:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG5X-674


Mother Ellen died in 1847 aged 32 years and George married Ann Ellison in 1858 at St Peter's:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=122430


Blue

Hi and welcome to the forum. Have you tried the GRO website to check for the mother's maiden name for John? https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/cert ... search.asp

Can you advise what evidence you have for his address in 1845 of House 2, 6 Court, St Andrew Street or was that the address he died at?

There are no birth entries for Tisdale but two for John Teasdale.

TEASDALE, JOHN mmn ELLISON
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 421

TEASDALE, JOHN mmn WITTER
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 1119

The marriage for the first couple Blue has given a link to on familysearch, however at present I'm getting an error loading the image, the other also for a George Teasdale with a Jane Witter was at St Mary's, Kirkdale in 1843.

There is also a baptism of a Margaret in
Margaret Teasdale 19 Jul 1846 20 Aug 1846 Liverpool, St Michael Parents John and Elizabeth
This child's mother's maiden name is Thompson and the marriage was in 1846 St Michael in the City.
Could be worth bearing in mind if you have any clues, perhaps from the marriage certificate of witnesses names.

I think there's maintenance on the Family Search site at the moment affecting the images. Here is this family in 1881 at St Andrew Street and at Duckinfield Street in 1891 after John's death. I can't find a John Teasdale son of John born c1845 on the census records so I'm wondering if there's a mistake on the marriage record and maybe his father was actually George who married Ellen Ellison?:-

1881

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27L-3KZB


1891

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7S9F-N2M

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:7S9J-DT2



Blue

Following up on the Teasdale/Ellison family older sister Jane married John Bentham in Chorley in 1867:-

Marriage: 2 Mar 1867 St George, Chorley, Lancs.
John Bentham - (X), 28 Spinner Bachelor of Leigh Street
Jane Teasdale - 25 Servant Spinster of Market Street
Groom's Father: Edward Bentham, Weaver
Bride's Father: George Teasdale, Lathe Splitter
Witness: Thomas Wright; Elizabeth Bentham, (X)
Married by Registrar's Certificate by: James Paton
Register: Marriages 1865 - 1873, Page 40, Entry 79
Source: LDS Film 1526078

1871

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZP2-XXG


Blue

Younger son William here with his father in 1861:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7Y4-V1R


William married Annie Elizabeth Bleads at St Augustine CE Everton in 1866:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=552483


I think George died in 1868 and was buried at Anfield on 23rd August:-

Teasdale, George
23 August 1868
56 years
-
Holborn Street
West Derby
584
11661
Public Grave
14
1411
Revd, Isaac Holmes
Geo Turvey
352 CEM 6/1/2


Wife remarried on 1871 Census

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBNN-SVR


I think this is George's baptism at St Nicholas CE Liverpool in 1814:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=261432



Blue

Wow, so much from so many, thank you all. Some bells ringing there but I'll have to view, read, copy etc and try to put it into what I've already got, not too much because I started too late to get first hand details!

I'll keep looking at my posts but if I don't get back promptly, forgive me - so much info. Thanks again

Keltis

Usually the father on a marriage record is the signpost to further family members but in the absence of likely candidates and given that a John was born to George and Ellen at about the right time and George lived in the same part of Liverpool as John I'm going with the theory that there was a mistake on the marriage record and that John's father was George.


Blue

Blue70 wrote:Usually the father on a marriage record is the signpost to further family members but in the absence of likely candidates and given that a John was born to George and Ellen at about the right time and George lived in the same part of Liverpool as John I'm going with the theory that there was a mistake on the marriage record and that John's father was George.

Well we would all seem to agree on that I believe, but are you happy that the marriage to go for is the one with "Ellison" and not the one with "Witter", both of whom married Georges.

MaryA wrote: There are no birth entries for Tisdale but two for John Teasdale.

TEASDALE, JOHN mmn ELLISON
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in LIVERPOOL Volume 20 Page 421

TEASDALE, JOHN mmn WITTER
GRO Reference: 1846 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 1119

I suspect the Witter child died aged 5, another child born 1854 and named John Teasdale to a mother recorded as Wetter, can't find a Teasdale/ Wetter marriage.

My concern would be, all of the George's mentioned as possible fathers, none are warehousemen and all seem to have the same occupation throughout all records as far as I could see.
This would mean, not only the wrong name recorded but the wrong occupation also.

As usual, the possibility has to be considered for a made up father for the purpose of marriage, no one liked leaving a blank or not known in that section.

I've done an edit on the burial of George Teasdale. I had the burial as 1870 but that George was the one who married Jane Witter at St Mary's Kirkdale in 1843 and had a second son called John Teasdale in 1854. The death/burial for George who married Ellen Ellison was in 1868. There's a probate record for the Teasdale/Witter George but there doesn't appear to be one for Teasdale/Ellison George.


Blue

Well, I have more info, many thanks. My wife is busy writing summary pages and there are some things that are now making possible sense.

I'm new to this other than doing an active (live) chat room some years ago which I can't find now! Because this is a post, can I reply to each individual contributor or is it ok to just reply to the ongoing post?

I can see I'm going to be kept busy but Lord help me when I try to trace my grandfathers family!

I'll be back, again many thanks.

Probably best to carry on using this thread and use the quote button to respond to specific posts. RootsChat has a chat room it might be that you are thinking of.


Blue

Blue70 wrote:Probably best to carry on using this thread and use the quote button to respond to specific posts. RootsChat has a chat room it might be that you are thinking of.


Blue

Thanks Blue. The chat room was very colourful, a black background with each person given a colour and receiving a welcome when they entered the room, probably defunct now!
Cheers, Keltis YNWA

We hope you have found some of these results useful, thanks to the guys for eliminating the Teasdale/Witter child.

You are better to respond on this thread as then others would be able to see each individual reply as someone other than the one the message is intended for might get a sudden spark from the conversation and be able to chime in with a pertinent suggestion.

Thanks Mary, certainly results have give my wife some encouragement. Great help from everybody, thank you, Keltis.