Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

I’m posting here in hope of finding someone else who has some information about this branch of my family. The family I have the most information about is my paternal grandfather, his parents and siblings.

Parents are:
William Harrison Jones, born about 1844 in Dublin, Ireland, died 1899 in Liverpool. He was a customs officer.
Ann Jane Roberts, born 1847 in Liverpool, died 1923 in Liverpool

Children, all born in Liverpool are:
- William Alfred: b. March 2, about 1875, m. Maggie, had daughters Norah and Queenie (Elizabeth?)
- Joseph Anthony: b. Feb. 9, about 1877
- Emily Jane: b. 1879, m. name Heys, son’s name Eric, grandson Peter b. about 1947
- Harry (or Henry): b. March 21, 1882, d. 1956, Fort William, Ontario, Canada (now Thunder Bay)
- Frederick: b. 1883
- Sarah Ann: b. Oct. 19, 1885, m. William Payne, d. 1984 Thunder Bay, Ontario, Canada
- Edward Anthony: b. 1887
- Annie: b. 1889, m. name Lockley – had sons George & Les, daughter Doris

When Harry (my grandfather) was born in 1882, the family lived at 1 Crouch St., Everton, Liverpool. At the time of the 1881 census they were living in Barrow-in-Furness at 26 Lord St., but all of the 3 children then alive were recorded in that census as born in Liverpool. My grandfather and his sister Sarah both emigrated from Liverpool to Canada in the first decade of the 20th century.

I’m also interested in anything anyone might know about relevant migration patterns – i.e. why might a family move from Dublin to Liverpool in the mid 19th century and why might a family living in Liverpool move temporarily to Barrow-in-Furness in the 1880s? (I know there was and still is a shipyards there.)

I might be a day or two late, but I’ll be sure to say thank you to any who reply!

Barbara Yurkoski

Hi Barbara and welcome,

The link will give you some idea about Irish migration,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_mig ... at_Britain

Moving to Barrow,
With being a HM Customs officer, he could have been sent as part of his duties or seen a better opportunity for his family and applied for the position.

1871, William H Jones, bn 1844, Middleton, Co Cork Ireland, RG10 P3816 F57 Page6
1881, RG11 P4285 F102 Page31
1891, RG12 P2956 F9 Page11

Barbara,

Is the birth year above for Ann Jane a typo?

Her age recorded at her marriage to William gives an approximate birth 1851, father Joseph Roberts, Coppersmith.

It appears Joseph Roberts has been recorded at various times as, Smith, Blacksmith, Whitesmith, Coppersmith.

Baptism,

Ann Jane Roberts
Birth, 8 March, 1850
Bap, 17 June, 1850
St Peter's Liverpool
Joseph Roberts
Mary Ann Roberts, nee Martin

If its the correct family, in 1861 they live next door to my 2x great grandfather, Robert Griffiths, Upper Birket St, Liverpool.

Couldn't find a marriage, Joseph Roberts/Mary Ann Martin,

The age difference on the 1851 census between Joseph Roberts and his wife Mary Ann is 9 years,

Joseph Roberts married Mary Ann Ashley, 1847 Liverpool,

Mary Ann Martin married George Ashley, 1832, St Paul's Liverpool

There's a death for a George Ashley, Liverpool 1844

Joseph Roberts, Liverpool

1851 HO107 P2185 F403 P39
1861 RG9 P2695 F107 P34
1871 RG10 P3835 F71 P2
1881 RG11 P3694 F58 P2

71 & 81 census' are for the Workhouse, unfortunately it could be your Joseph who was in there.

Hi Barbara

The family appear to have moved around a bit due to their work. Where did you get the information that William was born in Dublin from was that an error? As Bert said the 1871 English Census says he was born in Middleton, County Cork, Ireland, usual spelling is Midleton. There are some trees on Ancestry most have the Cork birthplace. None have a birth or baptism date. A baptism record may have survived if William was baptised at St John The Baptist, Church of Ireland, Midleton, Cork. Copies of the Baptism records for this church are held by the Church of Ireland's Representative Church Body Library at Churchtown, Dublin 14 and there are also copies at the National Archives of Ireland in Bishop Street, Dublin. More information about Church of Ireland records here:-

https://www.ireland.anglican.org/cmsfil ... ISTERS.pdf


Blue

Edward Jones is the father of William, (marriage cert), occupation, Inland Revenue.

A snippet from, City of Cork Post Office Directory, 1844/45

Revenue Department, Cork Excise.


http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/

Bert and Blue - thanks for all the help and information. Very exciting to have some new leads. I'll have to take some time to review it all. It's been awhile since I worked on this side of the family - Jones is not the easiest name to research! I don't have all the original documents that provided my information, but I think the birth in Dublin of William came from Harry (my grandfather's) birth certificate. Interesting that William might have been born in Cork. This is my father's side of the family. On my mother's side the family definitely came to Canada from Cork City, in 1832, but the two families didn't connect until the 1940s in Canada.

Thanks so much and I'll let you know what I'm able to do with this new information.

Barbara