Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

This is my great x 3 grandfather. He is very elusive. He was married c 1791to his first wife Mary ? who had 9 children born from 1791 to 1807 baptised at St Mary's Highfield St Liverpool RC. Of not is one son b 1 July 1801 and called Henry Sephton Bradshaw. His middle name leads me to believe his Grandparents were William Bradshaw and Mary Sephton. Married in 1751 also in St Mary's RC Church.
His first wife Mary (Surname at birth unknown) died in June 1812 while they were living at Mile end. She is buried at St John's Cemetery. Edmund remarried in November 1812 at St Nicholas Church, to widow Alice Jones, by license. They appear to have had only 1 child Esther Ellen Bradshaw in 1819 at Allerton ?? (Not sure about Allerton) Edmund's parent's William and Margaret had children called Easter and Ellen.
Problems
I cannot find Edmund born c 1755 anywhere. I can find some children to William and Margaret but not him. (I am 99% sure they are his parents, his first child called William b 1791 and a child Margaret b 1803).
I cannot find any info about widow Alice Jones b c 1780 (from 1841 census in Dingle) but age at death is 3 years older.
I would also like pointers to William Bradshaw b c 1730? and Margaret Sephton b c 1726? if at all possible.
Thanks

Do you know what their occupations were? I've had some luck with some of mine through the newspapers, but only confirmed because I knew what they were doing.

No idea if they might be related but just a few items from the early Directories

1766 Gores
Bradshaw, Roger, innkeeper Millstone and Castle, Dale Street

1767
Bradshaw Roger, inn keeper, Millstone and Castle, Dale Street
Bradshaw William, inn keeper, White Hart, High Street
Bradshaw Edmund, Mason, Thomas Street

1769
Bradshaw John, mariner, Thomas Street
Bradshaw William, inn keeper, White Hart, High Street
Bradshaw Edmund, Mason, Thomas Street

1772 same as above.

1790 Edmund isn't noted
Bradshaw James, carpenter, 4, Tristram's court, Thomas' st.
Bradshaw John, carpenter, 7, Dickenson st., Park lane
Bradshaw John, victualler, 3, Tythebarn st.
Bradshaw Johnson, corn merchant, 150, Dale st.
Bradshaw Samuel, bricklayer, 8, Lombard st.
Bradshaw Thomas, miller, 6, Gildart's garden, Bevington Bush

Thanks Mary. I will check on those tomorrow. The only occupation that I know was Edmund b 1755 was a hatter (perhaps the madness is hereditary). I will look back through records and check.

Oh shame and I had hoped that Edmund was an unusual enough name that I had found him in those directories.

There were 2 Edmund Bradshaw living in Liverpool at the same time, who I think was in customs, but a bit younger. I think he was on the 1841 census in Wolstenholme Square.
Mine died 1829 and I have a copy of his will.

I am asking again about this. I think William b 1730 had a father Edmund. I Edmund b c 1755 (from age at death and he would have been 21 at his marriage in 1751. The marriage I cannot find, but his children to this marriage were brought up Catholic. (All I have found were baptised St Mary's High Field St) There is an Edmund baptised 1758 in St Nicholas Chapel, father William, but I cannot find this any more. Silly me. HELP is definitely needed. Thanks Lynne

There is an EDWARD Bradshaw married Mary Woods in 1789 at Walton on the Hill. It is not on Lancs OPC, but has the bishop's transcripts on Anc. Only gives their names and date. It is the best I have found so far.
What do the experts think please.

For these dates St Mary's RC was in Edmund Street. Without the necessary link of a baptism or mention in a will it's guesswork really and I wouldn't add anyone without more evidence. There are three Bradshaw RCs on the 1767 "Returns":-

Bradshaw, Ann, 23, New Peters Street, Liverpool, 4 years, From Pemberton
Bradshaw, Johnson, 22, Merchant Clerk, 8, Liverpool, Born in Town
Bradshaw, William, 39, Innkeeper, High Street, Liverpool, 19 years

No mention of an Edmund Bradshaw. It could be that he wasn't an RC but his wife was or he may be listed on the returns but living outside Liverpool. I would have thought an RC born c1755 would have been on the St Mary RC baptism records which go back to 1741. He could be from outside Liverpool. By selecting only people born or marrying in Liverpool you are limiting the search. Problem is not being aware of potential matches not mentioned online because they are outside the town of Liverpool at that time and who may be on RC records that are more awkward to access.


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I don't have access to Ancestry at the moment so it's a bit difficult trying to look at this without Ancestry. I have transcripts for St Mary's on PDF and Family Search has more brief transcripts. Looking at the baptisms there could be two RC William Bradshaws or else William remarried. Edmund doesn't appear to fit either family. There's also the problem of the 1767 RC Returns. There's a William on there but where's the rest of his family? Where is Margaret or Jane or the children? Strange:-

Baptisms at St Mary RC Liverpool

[William Bradshaw & Margaret Sephton?]

1752 May 17, Easter Bradshaw, Will Bradshaw’s child, Godf John Sephton, Godm Ester Sephton

1754 Feb 3, Ellen Bradshaw, Willi Bradshaw’s child, Godf Hen Sephton, Godm Easter Sephton [p Ellen Sephton?]

1755 Sep 28, Easter Bradshaw, Will Bradshaw’s child, Godf John Sephton, Godm Easter Sephton

1757 Sep 5, Dan Bradshaw, Wm Bradshaw’s child, Godf John Rigby, [p] Dan Sephton, Godm Easter Sephton


[William Bradshaw & Jane ?]

1764 Mar 22, Eliz [over Anne] Bradshaw, Wm Bradshaw’s child, Godf Thos Bride [crossed out] Rich. Unsworth, Godm Alice Molyneux

1766 Apr 21, Robert, Son to Willm & Jane Bradshaw, born the 14th instant. Sponsors Richard Unsworth and Sarah Tickle


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Lynne,

Have you seen this Bradshaw at St John’s CE Cemetery MI it mentions Edmund and his wife Mary who died in 1812? The first two names are missing their first names but they may be useful if you can work out from the burial records in Lancs Bishop's Transcripts who they are.

Grave 1003

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=421332


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The second name appears to be Esther Bradshaw of Mile Lane who was buried at St John's on 15 May 1811 the burial record says 58 not 52. As the burial record is more legible than the gravestone appears to have been, I think it will be 58 so a c1753 birth.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=261014

I thought with there being another Easter Bradshaw baptised in 1755 the first had died. There is a burial on 3 Nov 1753 at St Nicholas CE of an Esther Bradshaw, no age given, daughter of William Bradshaw, Drury Lane, mason. The other possible explanation is that there were two baptisms for the same person. The Esther who is on the gravestone could be Edmund's sister Easter she is not listed as a widow etc so could have been unmarried. It's a possibility. Very confusing.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=261432


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Virtual hugs for you. You are brilliant....
Where did you find that grave.
I think his parents were definitely William and Margaret as one of the children had the middle name Sephton.

Mile Lane was where he lived in 1812 and 1827.
Mary died and Edmund remarried Alice Jones Widow in 1812 . Their child is my direct descendant.
Quite excited now. Will work on this tomorrow. Too tired today.
I am also finding it difficult tracing Alice Jones who he married. Thanks again Lynne

It looks like those inscriptions for St John's are the ones compiled by Liverpool Corporation when the graveyard was being closed. The Record Office reference for that record is 352 CEM/1/10 it might be worthwhile trying to get a look-up or look at James Gibson's inscriptions for St John's to see if he had any better luck reading the gravestone. Family Search currently has part of volume 3 and volumes 4 to 10. Unfortunately St John's is in Volume 1. Getting that other name might be useful. Here's the Gibson Family Search link below. Notice the first set of Transcripts that we want don't have a camera icon:-

https://familysearch.org/search/catalog ... %20Library


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Bradshaws in Gibsons
Necropolis, Low Hill Cemetery
BRADSHAW Bartholomew - - - - VIII 623
BRADSHAW Bartholomew - 27-07-1835 - 22 VIII 623
Bartholomew, son of Bartholomew BRADSHAW of Lancaster, died July 27th
1835 aged 22

Brunswick Chapel, Moss Street
BRADSHAW Betty - - - - V 373 WBC
BRADSHAW James - - - - V 373 WBC
Sacred to the memory of Elizabeth the wife of George BUSTARD (and daughter of James and
Betty BRADSHAW of Northwich Cheshire) who departed this life August the 12th 1821 in the
30th year of her age. Also Elizabeth (his second wife) departed this life 2nd February 1831 aged
29 years. Also Georgina their daughter who died Sept. 5th 1839 aged 13 years. Also the above
named George BUSTARD who departed this life 11th December 1840 aged 53 years

St. Martin-in-the-Fields, Silvester Street
BRADSHAW John - - - - II 349 M-i-F
BRADSHAW Mary - 30-01-1854 - 65 II 349 M-i-F
BRADSHAW Sarah Ellen - 03-11-1844 - 13 II 349 M-i-F
Sacred to the memory of Sarah Ellen, daughter of John and Mary
BRADSHAW, died the 3rd November 1844 aged 13 years. Lord, look down on
me with an eye of pity and never on me frown. Also Mary BRADSHAW who
departed this life 30th January 1854 aged 65 years. Also Mary Jane
STANTON who departed this life 21st April 1855 aged 4 days

Thanks again. Magic is definitely there. I will be investigating.
If I were to phone the Liverpool records office, could they look in Gibsons for me, as I cannot get to Liverpool at the moment.
If anyone else could help in that direction it would be great.
Thanks again Lynne

Having looked on Anc, I found a Margaret Bradshaw buried 11 December 1799, but looking at the image, I can't read it and have not been a ble to check this. The stone you found says died 26 day of ......ber, aged 60. If she was buried 11 December it is a long time from 26 Nov. Will try again to read image.
Tried again looks like Pend??se Street. It is page 800 out of 803 in Lancashire, England, Church of England Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812. Thanks

Lynne,

If you look further up Mary has had a look but the inscriptions are not included. I looked at that Margaret Bradshaw burial entry but the inscription does say 26th so not sure about that. I can see how 70 could be taken for 60. Here is that burial:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=261014

Here is the burial of Joseph in 1824:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=261014


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Much clearer than the bishop's transcipts on Anc. Was just about to try and find my way around St John's on Family search. By the way, when John died in 1817 it states he was a catholic.
It also says Mitton Street, but I can't find that on Liverpool projects............... any ideas?

Mary wife of Edmund, hatter, Mile End, aged 42, buried 11 June 1812:-

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1 ... cat=261014


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