Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi all,

The marriage below of Ruth and Charles,

1871 census,
Jenkinson St Liverpool,

Ruth Coakley, 44, Niece, Bn Ireland, Married,
RG10 P3810 F92, P24

Can a kind soul please look at Deaths at Sea,

Charles Coakley, 1817-1877, Hengist

Is it Ruth's husband?



Thank you.

Found some information,
Chas Coakley, 28603, Cook,
Died, Brooklyn, 15 5 77, Fell Down Hold,
Last place of residence, Liverpool,

Any additional information most welcome.

Thank you.

Don't know how much help it will be apart from giving his number but here it is.

Anybody know what the annotation (See P.495/77) refers to?

Thanks Mary,

Is that from Anc or the other place

I eventually found that record along with another, no idea how it managed to hide.
I was wondering if any other info is available, other than what's on Anc.

Thank you.

Sadly I don't think there is much else as it came from the other place

Thank you, Mary.

You're welcome, the only other document was the index which gave the Page Number as 113, District Hengist, age 60, those details which you knew, but the page number might be useful just in case you may wish to order the certificate.

Hi all,

Continuing with Ruth Coakley, nee Lyle.

Marriage above, her father was William Lyle, Clock maker, presumably Irish, mother unknown.

The 1871 census shows Ruth, as niece living with, Alice Appo, a widow.

Who was Alice Appo?

Alice Appo, Head - Female 70, 1801 - Ireland, Seamstress, Widow
Ruth Coakley, Niece - Female 44, 1827 - Ireland, Seamstress, Married
Patrick Burke Boarder - Male 24 1847 - Ireland
RG10 P3810 F92 P24
Jenkinson St,

1861,
Alice Appo, Transcribed, Alice App??, (Anc)
RG9 P2693 F4 P2
8 Gerard St

?
There's a death registered, Liverpool 8b 228, 1876, birth 1790
Buried at Walton, 42 Travers St

Any help gratefully received,
Thank you.

Appo is a seriously rare name in Ireland. I've never heard it here. The Irish Census of 1901 has precisely zero Appos, although it doesn't do near matches. Very few in England as well.

A famous oriental pickpocket in New York had Irish connections. 'The oddly named China-born sailor came to the city in the 1840s with an Irish-American wife...'
http://www.villagevoice.com/arts/the-ch ... me-7144103

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=WfC ... po&f=false (URL split)

https://www.google.co.uk/#q=quimbo+appo

Alice was a widow, not born 'Appo'. Did she marry a mariner from overseas? - Just a thought.

The man who performed the marriage ceremony - Rev Dr William Francis Taylor:

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Distingu ... cis_Taylor

http://www.npg.org.uk/collections/searc ... cis-Taylor

Were the Coakleys long-established in England?
The marriage was CoE, by an evangelical vicar fiercely opposed to liberal views on ritual.
By the census of 1901, there were 923 Coakleys in Ireland; 919 were Roman Catholic.

I don't know if these facts have any significance...

Thank you Luxor for your contribution and help,

I haven't touched on the Coakley's yet, other than the marriage of Charles and Ruth. No doubt a headache waiting in the wings.

My aim is to see if Alice Appo could open any doors leading to Ruth's mother's maiden name, William Lyle's wife.

Alice Appo declares herself a widow by 1861, however there are no Appo deaths registered from 1837/61, England & Wales.
It's possible she did marry a foreign seaman, but where?
There was a Death at Sea, 1854, Balay Appo, who died of Small Pox aboard the Propontis.
His is the only death I have found that would make Alice a widow by the 61 census.

Not easy. There is a record on familysearch for the death in the U.S. of a John Lyle, born in Ireland, whose father was William Lyle and mother Sarah White:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X8HB-59Z

There were 26 William Lyles in Ireland in 1901, assume similar around 1830 (could have been more), only a fraction would have been fathering children then, so maybe worth keeping in mind.

Two more with children of William Lyle, born same era, getting married. One seems to be Lyle marrying Lyle?:

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGXD-W3F

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FG6L-LN7

There was a Louis Appo in Liverpool:-

Death Index

Name: Louis Appo
Registration Year: 1867
Registration Quarter: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 57
Registration district: Liverpool
Volume: 8b
Page: 229


Burial at Anfield Cemetery

Name: Appo, Louis
When: 28 December 1867
Age: 57 years
Rank/Profession: Seaman
Abode: Travers Street
District: Liverpool
Folio: 340
Number: 6798
Mode: Public Grave
Section: RC 10
Grave 1172
By: Revd, J H Fisher DD
Registrar: Geo Turvey
Ref: 352 CEM 6/3/2


Blue

Alice Appo
Death March 1876 aged 86
Liverpool
Vol 8b
Page 228

Thank you all, much appreciated,

Progress I think,




Appho John Lewis Liverpool 8b 205
Parker Alice Liverpool 8b 205

There are entries for Louis on FMP on Merchant Seamen they should give a place of birth.

Yes, thank you Hilary, it's Ceylon.

Just need to work out the connection between the Harrington's and Ruth Lyle/ Coakley.

Confusing that Alice Parker is a spinster but says her father was Thomas Harrington. I've had a quick look whilst watching Miss Marple but haven't yet seen any likely suspects.

Interesting that Ruth Lyle is a witness to the marriage.

We may need Miss Marple on this,

There's other oddities,

Alice being declared as a widow on the 61 census, when she wasn't, perhaps a genuine mistake.

Addresses for both burials 1867 & 1876, Travers Street, address for 1871 census, Jenkinson St.
I suppose its possible Alice lived there moved away and moved back.

There should be a Harrington/Parker marriage somewhere,
Is it a possibility that Alice Parker was a spinster and considered Thomas Harrington her father, if brought up by him?