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*Joseph NAYLOR was bapt 29 Apr 1832 at St Thomas the Martyr, Upholland, Lancashire, son of Richard Naylor & Elizabeth, of abode: Holland, father's occupation as tailor

He married *Ellen WALMSLEY on 09 Dec 1860 at St Elphin Warrington; she was bapt 20 Sep 1840 at St Peter, Newton-le-Willows, Lancashire, dau of William Walmsley & Betty, of abode: Newton, father's occupation as millwright - her birth as 13 Sep 1840

In 1861 they are living at separate addresses:
Cross Lane, Newton In Makerfield
Elizabeth NAYLOR hd wid 52 dress maker b. Rainford
James NAYLOR son unm 31 shoemaker b. Rainford
*Joseph NAYLOR son marr 29 tailor b. Upholland
Elizabeth NAYLOR dau unm 22 ? ? at print works b. Liverpool
Mary NAYLOR dau unm 17 in the warehouse at print works b. Liverpool
Thomas NAYLOR son unm 15 lab at the foundry b. Billing
and
Astleys Farm, Atherton in the GREGORY Household
*Ellen NAYLOR 20 boarder marr cotton winder b. Newton

By 1871 reunited at:
Derby St, Newton In Makerfield
*Joseph NAYLOR 30 b. Upholland, Head Tailor
*Ellen NAYLOR 30 b. Newton-le-Willows Wife
Jane A. NAYLOR 7 b. Newton-le-Willows dau Scholar
Thomas NAYLOR 5 b. Newton-le-Willows son Scholar
Joseph NAYLOR 3 b. Newton-Le-Willows son Scholar
William NAYLOR 9mths b. Earlestown son
(with 3 boarders and 3 lodgers)

Sadly Joseph NAYLOR died 06 Sept 1872 in Derby Street, Newton and his widow Ellen never remarried. We find her here in 1881:
Gas Street, Newton In Makerfield
*Ellen NAYLOR Head Widow 40 b. Newton, housekeeper
Thomas NAYLOR son 15 b. Earlestwn, iron moulder
Joseph NAYLOR son 13 b. Earlestown, scholar
William NAYLOR son 11 b. Earlestown, scholar
John NAYLOR son 9 b. Earlestown, scholar
Jane Ann NAYLOR dau 17 b. Earlestown, no occupation

and here in 1891:
Gas Street, Newton In Makerfield
*Ellen NAYLOR Head Widow 50 b. Newton Le Willows
Thomas NAYLOR son M 25 Gen Lab b. Newton Le Willows
Ellen NAYLOR d-in-l M 20 b. Newton Le Willows
Joseph NAYLOR son S 22 Gen Lab b. Newton Le Willows
William NAYLOR son S 20 Gen Lab b. Newton Le Willows
John NAYLOR son S 19 Gen Lab b. Newton Le Willows
Ellen NAYLOR G-dau 6mnths b. Newton Le Willows

finally in 1901 she is here:
Back Gas St, Newton In Makerfield
*Ellen NAYLOR hd wid 55 b. Newton Le Willows
Joseph NAYLOR son single 36 gen lab b. Newton Le Willows
John NAYLOR son single 25 gen lab b. Newton Le Willows

She sadly died on 02 May 1909 at The Workhouse, Warrington, the widow of Joseph NAYLOR, a journeyman tailor, (address of 47 Gas Street, Newton le Willows).

I have yet to trace the burial details of this couple, I am drawing a blank in Newton at the moment but I feel they must be there surely?

Thanks for reading.

No promises, but I've sent a message to somebody who may have local knowledge of the area, hoping she can make some suggestions.

Thank you!

First of all the person I've asked about this is going to check St Elphins tomorrow to see if she can find anything, however she has pointed out

plimmerian wrote: finally in 1901 she is here:
Back Gas St, Newton In Makerfield
*Ellen NAYLOR hd wid 55 b. Newton Le Willows
Joseph NAYLOR son single 36 gen lab b. Newton Le Willows
John NAYLOR son single 25 gen lab b. Newton Le Willows
........
She sadly died on 02 May 1909 at The Workhouse, Warrington, the widow of Joseph NAYLOR, a journeyman tailor, (address of 47 Gas Street, Newton le Willows).

Deaths Jun 1909
NAYLOR Ellen 88 Warrington 8c 139

Seems to be pushing it for age even for some of the people we've come across. Could you perhaps have the wrong entry?

no, she was 68 years old when she died, the informant is her son Thomas NAYLOR of 25 Duke Street, Earlestown

http://knottynaylor.blogspot.co.uk/2016 ... death.html

Her son Joseph Naylor (1868-1943) married in 1910 at Prescot, Lancashire, England to Sarah Jane (or) Jane Leigh (or) Lee (1879–1956) - both buried Newton Cemetery at Grave Section N - Grave Number 416 Grave Suffix C - had hoped his mother would be there but it is just the two of them!

The Grave owned by her son Thomas has two of his wives, a cousin and some of his infant children - his mother Ellen isn't there either!

I haven't yet traced what happened to her son John NAYLOR after he appears with a ROBINSON family connection in 1911 at 31 Lord St, Earlestown

But the death in 1909 is for an 88 year old Ellen - unfortunately Freebmd at least has an error, perhaps a transcription error or maybe it's on the indexes themselves. I'll have to look and see.

Added - it has been transcribed incorrectly, a look at the actual index says 68 not 88.

My contact is checking St Elphins this morning anyway, so I've written to tell her the correct information.

I have also added a postem to the Freebmd entry as this is the search page used by most people who don't have any subscriptions, error also submitted on Ancestry. Presumably Findmypast does their own transcribing, as theirs is correct.

sorry my pc had a hissy fit - was trying to update the blog with the original entry I found in the GRO records but you beat me to it ! lol

found this stating "Just a note on burials at Wargrave, Emmanuel. The burial registers covering the years 1854 to 1892 are missing and no B.T.'s or other copies survive."

I wonder if Joseph was buried there in 1872?