Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

I found a burial of Susan STANTAN age 38 on 20 Sept 1829 at St Michael, Liverpool. I am wondering if this is the wife of William, who was also the mother of Elizabeth, Esther, Susan and Samuel - all baptised on 14 Aug 1825 at St Peter, Liverpool.

{Samuel has been found in 1841 with a suspected sister Johanna Howard nee Stanton (she a British Subject born c1813 in France, stated later in 1851). And Elizabeth has been found as the aunt of Johanna's daughter in the household of 1881.}

Did William STANTAN remarry on 06 April 1834 at St Nicholas, Liverpool to Margaret BARKER - my only concern is that on the above children's baptisms he is listed as a mariner but on this marriage detail he is listed as a brazier!

Three baptisms I have found for this union appear to be Susanna in 1835, Mary Ann in 1842 and Elizabeth in 1846. Yet as his other daughter Elizabeth was still alive why would he give another daughter the same name? Is this the wrong family and the wrong William?

Any help most welcome to solve this William and Susan mystery, thank you!

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I think it's unlikely he would have 2 living children called Elizabeth, even Susan and Susanna might seem too alike in the same family. However, I suppose if Margarets mother was Elizabeth and she was determined to have one of her girls named after her, who knows?

Brazier and Coppersmith are trades, apprenticeship required, not sure if they would be needed at sea at that period of time. It's possible he dropped his trade and went seafaring and being recorded as a Mariner at the baptisms would be correct.

I'm assuming the death of Jane 1823, born 1820, buried St Peter's, Father William Stanton, Labourer, Salthouse Dock is one of the family. Thinking why would he labour if he had a trade?

I'm wondering, with Johanna being born in France, was Jane, can't find a Baptism?
Was William part of an Army or Navy of occupation?

I suppose it has to be considered, Was Susan, Died 1829, French?

I've just found a burial of a William STANTON on 29 May 1831 aged 43 at Liverpool St Michael. Hadn't noticed the address of Sparling Street before on Susan's burial record, which seems to match this William too!

That other William marriage must be another person to the one I seek!

Thanks for informing me of Jane, she would seem to fit with the gaps in ages of the known siblings, perhaps there were even more!

The French link has had me baffled for ages. If the mother was French did that make the children French if born there. I'm out of my depth on this topic I'm afraid!

If he was a mariner as indicated in the on mass baptism, why had his family gone with him to France? If he was a labourer what was he doing in France! lol So many unsolved riddles.

I'm longing to know Susan's maiden name as she is part of my paternal grandmother's lineage. Is it truely scouse or has it got French origins!?!

Thanks for the reply!

Now that William the Brazier has been put to bed, it makes more sense your William being both labourer and Mariner, he had to do something when not at sea.

Someone may enlighten us more on British Subjects, it seems to me at that period of time when women had little say or rights in anything, it would be based on the Fathers nationality.

How did Susan come to be in France?

As far as I know, Mariners did not take wives away with them on trips, the odd skipper might but not many.
If Susan was French, perhaps William paid regular visits, port of call.

I don't want to jump the gun but as I can't seem to locate a marriage as yet, I'm wondering if it took place in France!?!

Breathe, Breathe!

lol

thanks for posting again, I appreciate it!