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St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 13:31
by BarbaraW
I just came across this snippet in a newspaper and was quite surprised that graves were being sold off or does undisposed mean grave sites? A very specific number of 636 if sites only.

For whatever reason I always thought this land belonged to the church or some other body. So why would a Miss Mason have owned this land and church pews?

Liverpool Mercury 30 Aug 1833


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Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 15:36
by MaryA
I'm a bit mystified about the graves, seems strange to sell a job lot like that, but the pews are often owned by individual families, I've come across them being left in a Will to another family member, I think I posted, a long time ago some documents copied from St Mary's Walton on the Hill, listing ownership, will see if I can come across them as an example.

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 15:39
by MaryA
Something on similar lines perhaps to Edge Hill, somebody may be making money?

https://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/ ... hilit=pews

The graves might be similar, if somebody buys them the church makes money and the new owner might be able to make a profit in future years?

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 15:54
by BarbaraW
But it says the late Miss Mason is selling them. Who is she and where did she get them from? And why would anybody want to buy graves? :? :shock: :?

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 16:12
by BarbaraW
Doing a google search there are quite a few links to Miss Mason of Edge Hill, a local philanthropist it seems, I wonder if it's the same lady?

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 17:38
by MaryA
I would suspect perhaps an entrepreneur and on her death the land/property would have been sold.

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 17:51
by BarbaraW
I wonder if this is the same lady, from Google Books:

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Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 18:10
by BarbaraW
In a google book about The Mole of Edge Hill:

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Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 18:18
by BarbaraW
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Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 18:22
by MaryA
My memory may be wrong but I believe Williamson had his house in Mason Street, some of those houses having long gardens with the "hole" at the bottom of them the meoghbours all tried to fill up with rubbish, however never succeeded. If you visit Williamson's tunnels, entrance in that street and see the depth of them, you can understand why the rubbish never reached the entrance.

It certainly sounds like the same Miss Mason.

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 18:35
by BarbaraW
You know Mary I was brought up in Edge Hill and I never heard a word about Williamson and his tunnels until recentish years when it all started appearing on the internet.

It looks like this is how Miss Mason came to be owning graves:

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Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 20:05
by MaryA
Well I've certainly enjoyed this little sojourn into the life of Miss Mason, but I hope somebody may have a definitive answer about why the graves were up for sale, and bought.

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 20:12
by BarbaraW
I'm sure when we get online tomorrow morning Mary, Bertie and Blue and many others will have come up with the definitive answers to put us out of our misery, slaving away all night no doubt. :wink:

Night Night Mary I'm off to watch Corrie catchup lol.

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 23 Apr 2016 20:16
by BarbaraW
p.s. What does it mean the carriages were horse drawn from Edge Hill to Crown Street? Surely horses hooves weren't trotting along railway tracks? :shock: :shock: :shock:

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 24 Apr 2016 08:14
by MaryA
BarbaraW wrote:p.s. What does it mean the carriages were horse drawn from Edge Hill to Crown Street? Surely horses hooves weren't trotting along railway tracks? :shock: :shock: :shock:
I'm curious, I feel Hilary may know something about this, have sent her a message.

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 24 Apr 2016 08:25
by Bertieone
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Disembarked at Edge Hill, horse drawn carriage(Tram) to Crown St, before any railway connection was made? To make any possible connection to carry on with journey.

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 24 Apr 2016 08:27
by MaryA
So you think they definitely weren't train carriages that were drawn?

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 24 Apr 2016 08:35
by Bertieone
I can't see any reason why they would disconnect carriages from the engine, however if they did, they wouldn't have been the size and weight of todays carriages I wouldn't think.

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 24 Apr 2016 08:54
by Bertieone

Re: St Mary's Church, Edge Hill 1833.

Posted: 24 Apr 2016 12:15
by MaryA
Thanks Bert, I think that answers that.