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As the Merchant Navy was not strictly military I am putting this query here in the hope that one of our experts can help.

The Town Hall Roll of Honour has many odd entries, including this one:
"PATERSON, C.-ENG. W.J., [and under the column where a ship should be named] H.I. HOMEWING"

I have gone through the usual CWGC and other searches but cannot find either a Chief Engineer listed with this name, or a ship remotely like this. Fresh eyes may help!

The Roll was compiled from notes handed in by the public, so poor handwriting may be a factor. Some sideways thinking may be needed. [Did anyone try the puzzle in the papers which seemed impossible?]

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daggers wrote:... Some sideways thinking may be needed.
D

Well... you did ask! This might be more than sideways...

What about 'Wing' as 'Flying Organisation' and 'Home' as 'Remaining in U.K.'?

'Unlike the RFC, the RNAS was organized on a non-central basis so there were several No 1 Squadrons. Even Wings numbers were not consistently given to the same unit, so there are many exceptions in historic data. At the start of the war there were three wings 1, 2 & 3. As the war progressed, other wings were formed.
Wing 1 was on both sides of the English Channel in 1914.'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Naval_Air_Service

I learned something... they had aircraft taking off from ships in WW1... that surprised me!

Well I just looked at ships names, which may have some resemblance.

MEMBLING owners Lambert & Holt Ltd Liverpool - torpedoed on 3 Oct 1917 near Brest

BEESWING owners J B Walmsley & Co Liverpool - captured by sub & shelled 2 May 1917 140 miles from Fastnet.

No luck with C E Paterson anywhere.

Liked your thinking Luxor

There's a few hits for this chap, seaman.


Name:
W J Paterson
Age:
29
Estimated Birth 1872
Relation to Head:
Engineer
Gender:
Male
Birth
Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Vessels

RG13 P3412 F110

erika wrote:Well I just looked at ships names, which may have some resemblance.

MEMBLING owners Lambert & Holt Ltd Liverpool - torpedoed on 3 Oct 1917 near Brest

BEESWING owners J B Walmsley & Co Liverpool - captured by sub & shelled 2 May 1917 140 miles from Fastnet.

No luck with C E Paterson anywhere.

Liked your thinking Luxor

Had a look at the Liverpool Cityhalls website. Description is definitely H.I. "HOMEWING." so would have thought any similar name would be incorrect.

Had a look for last 30 minutes but found nothing

Thanks for some good ideas. I have to go out to meet a train, but the wet towel will be reapplied later.
D

The "C Eng" bit is presumably Chief Engineer, and WJ his initials.


There's a GRO Marine death for William J Paterson in 1918 at Kamuning.

Per the Probate Calendar, William James Paterson, 86 Huskisson Street, Liverpool, marine engineer, died at sea 11 September 1918. Admon to widow Jane.

EDIT Kamuning was the name of the ship (139557). He died of asthma.

'Kamuning' on a poorly handwritten note; transcribed by someone who - understandably - didn't know the name; looks likely. 'Ka' could become 'Ho' and 'un' become 'ew'.

luxor wrote:'Kamuning' on a poorly handwritten note; transcribed by someone who - understandably - didn't know the name; looks likely. 'Ka' could become 'Ho' and 'un' become 'ew'.

Very possible me finks.

Me also finks that sounds reasonable

MaryA wrote:Me also finks that sounds reasonable

Sounds good to me. Out of interest though, I wonder what does the H.I. stand for??

I'm back to find you have all been so busy, and I think you have wrapped up the problem between you. What a team effort!
Many thanks to you all.

Daggers

Observed movements of S S Kamuning 1918:

http://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-WW ... ramble.htm