Liverpool to Denmark - Margaret, James and children?

[Danish]

Dear friends

I have had so much help - this Forum is very good, thanks all!

This time I just want to ask if any may know/or may find informations about my family who left Liverpool for Denmark.
The irish born Margaret Mellon b.1847 married the Danish seaman James Morrison b. 1836 (Jens Mogensen) in 1865, they got three children (Ellen, Mary Ann and James), James was born 1870, December. Herafter they all left for Denmark, Hornbaek town, Elsinore City:

1) Do we have any records about this family going to Denmark in the period 1871-1873? How would they all have got to Denmark at all if no records is to be find?

2) Do we have any records about James Morrison working as a seaman between 1860-1873?
So far we know about one, that he was on the Canada, Seafarers of the Atlantic Provinces, voyage departure date 15 May 1867 - Arrival date 5 Aug 1867.

These questions are a part of the topic 'Please help me to find Polly Mellon'.

Best regards
Danish/Mellon

[Blue70]

Hi Danish

Sorry I can't answer those questions but I've posted some newspaper articles mentioning shipping links between England and Denmark. Most of the links appear to be connected to trade rather than people although one article mentions Danes coming to Liverpool to get ships to go to North America.


The Examiner (Saturday 30 April 1870)




The Hull Packet and East Riding Times (Friday 17 June 1870)




The Morning Post (Saturday 17 August 1872)




Manchester Times (Saturday 23 November 1872)




The Hull Packet and East Riding Times (Friday 19 December 1873)





Blue

[MaryA]

Thank you Blue I was at a loss for an answer

[Bertieone]

Well done Blue,

Danish,
I would think it's possible James got his family back to Denmark on a ship/trawler he was working on. If this did happen, there would probably be no record of it.

[Blue70]

This section on the Rootschat forum has some Danish enquiries perhaps you could post there and ask about records of people who went to live in Denmark:-

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/europe/


Blue

[Danish]

Dear Blue, Bert and Mary

Thank you for helping!

I will go on, trying to follow the new leads.

James Morrison (Jens Mogensen, in Danish) perhaps came to work as a seaman in UK from around 1860...
I got to know that his older brother also work as a seaman Niels Peter Mogensen b. 1834 (I have no idea how the name would change in english? Surname most likely Morrison, as for his brother James). It was told he went to Brazil/Cuba.

Best regards
Danish/Mellon

[Bertieone]

Hi Danish,

No doubt you have the following, posting for the crew. It wouldn't be compulsory for Niels Peter to Anglicize his name, so may not have done so.



Niels Peter Mogensen
Male
Baptism
25 jan 1835
Baptism, Hornbaek, Frederiksborg, Denmark
Father
Mogens Isaksen
Mother
Ellen Marie Larsdr

[Blue70]

This is a newspaper advertisement for shipping between Belfast, Ireland and Liverpool, England in 1862. If the Mellons were from the north of Ireland it's possible they went to Liverpool via Belfast:-

Belfast News-Letter, Tuesday 1st July 1862





Blue

[Blue70]

There is a mention on this link of a journey between Belfast and Liverpool taking 16 hours in 1860:-

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fMO ... rs&f=false


Blue

[Danish]

Thanks Bert and Blue

It gives me further and interesting informations.

Regarding trying to find Margaret (b. 25 Aug 1847), where she was born, that is a very very big trouble.

I have been on Rootschat, RootsIreland, NLI (many church records), Irish Ancestors, Family Search, PRONI, Griffith Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php etc etc., Irish Genealogy,

Some friendly person came up with, on Rootschat:
If the father Michael Mellon was still living in 1859 or there abouts from http://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php
Mellon Michael Glasmullagh Ardstraw Tyrone
Mellon Michael Derrycrin Conyngham Ballinderry Tyrone
Mellon Michael Creggan Termonmaguirk Tyrone
Mellon Michael Derrycrin Eglish Ballinderry Tyrone
Mellon Michael, Jr. Derrycrin Conyngham Ballinderry Tyrone
Mellon Michael Ballyronan More Artrea Derry
Mellon Michael Anne Street North East St. Georges Dublin
Mellon Michael Anne Street, North St. Michans Dublin
Mellon Michael Kilcarry Moyacomb Carlow
Mcmellon Michael Doogary Drumragh Tyrone

To look up more detail inc a map reference to see an outline of their property see
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

But I have, through, the NLI-site (http://registers.nli.ie/) looked some places up to see if any girl Margaret is 'in the books (availible)' on the 25 Aug 1847. We know Michael Mellon was not alive in 1865.

In one way i think I am close, and then not - perhaps I have not been looking the right places? I guess in all the RC parishes it is the date of birth there is registrated, and not the baptism?

Best regards
Danish/Mellon

[luxor]

Regarding trying to find Margaret (b. 25 Aug 1847), where she was born, that is a very very big trouble...

Best regards
Danish/Mellon

More than 50% of your 'possibles' are in County Tyrone. One of the Mellons from County Tyrone became wealthy in the United States (the family is mentioned on Northern Ireland television quite regularly):

http://www.bbc.co.uk/ulsterscots/librar ... in-america

'The family's founding patriarch was Judge Thomas Mellon (1813–1908), a son of Andrew Mellon and Rececca Wauchob who were Scotch-Irish farmers from Camp Hill Cottage, Lower Castletown, parish of Cappagh, County Tyrone, Ireland...'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mellon_family

One of Northern Ireland's top tourist attractions, the Ulster American Folk Park, is based around the old Mellon house. The address is 2 Mellon Road...

http://nmni.com/uafp

The Mellons of Tyrone are one of the most famous families in Northern Ireand - I'm sure they have been well researched - you just need to find the experts. I'd guess the Ulster American Folk Park is more interested in the Mellons that left for the US, but they may know local genealogists who could help you.

[Danish]

Dear Luxor

That is another great step to take, to try to find Margaret (and then I will know about her father and mother). Since her father was draper (and his sister Catherine later in Liverpool Census 1871 is mention as a dress maker), I got the idea that they came from a city, rather than the countryside?

I will see if any expert may help me, as other experts have helped with many data so far.
Thank you - and please let me know if other ideas etc comes up.

Best regards
Danish/Mellon

[luxor]

Since her father was draper (and his sister Catherine later in Liverpool Census 1871 is mention as a dress maker), I got the idea that they came from a city, rather than the countryside?

Best regards
Danish/Mellon

I wouldn't guarantee that - I think there were people running small businesses in country areas too. The experts will advise.

I have been on Rootschat, RootsIreland, NLI (many church records), Irish Ancestors, Family Search, PRONI, Griffith Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/post1845.php etc etc., Irish Genealogy,

This one is probably part of 'etc., etc.', but just in case:

https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/

[Danish]

Dear Luxor

That was a excellent link, - did not know it - the more sad case is that they only provide data after 1864, and I am looking for the birth of Margaret in 1947 or Michaels death, but that is not possible as for as I am concerned.

Thanks again, I might use it in an other case.

I see you point, that they might have worked other places than the 'big' places!

I really hope to get informations about Margaret.

Best regards
Danish/Mellon

[Danish]

Dear all

My great great grandmother:
Margaret Mellon (Father Michael Mellon, draper, both catholic), born in Ireland 25 AUG 1847 - and then she came to Liverpool, married James Morrison, and went to Denmark around 1870.

A few years has gone, and I have sometimes tried to find her (birth) in Ireland, but no luck so far.

If somebody may help I would appreciate that very much.
I have got lots of great help at this site!!

Have a nice day.
Danish

[Blue70]

Hi Danish

Happy New Year to you. Sorry to read that you've had no luck with your Irish roots. It's very common to face difficulties this far back in the Irish records. Existing Irish Catholic parish records start at different dates and it's possible that your ancestor was from a parish where no records exist for the year when she was born.

Regards,

Blue

[MaryA]

Unfortunately as Blue says the earlier back in Ireland the scarcer the records are, however we have had some luck by perseverance; I would suggest you check some of the links we have collected on our websites board for Ireland, in particular this page which we print out to give to those who come to your Help Desk. The top one also gives the link to not only Civil Records, but also Parish Register images https://www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk/ ... 12#p116895

Scroll up and down our page and you will see many other suggestions and hints for ordering certificates if available, by the best and cheapest method.

[Danish]

Dear Blue and Mary

Thank you for your suggestions, I appreciate that.
That is a great list of links to Irish etc. sources.

I will do my best to find Margaret Mellon, but still hope that somebody, some expert, would be able to help me, some day.
But the list is a very important tool, thanks.

Happy New Year.
Danish

[alex69]

I know the problem of entries in the Censuses showing only "Ireland" and no further details which causes issues when trying to find Irish records.

One way is to look at all the examples of the surname in Liverpool and try to see if any pattern emerges of places in Ireland. Enter Mellon surname only ( remember spelling alternatives Mellan Mallen etc) and Liverpool as place of residence. It might help.

When did Margaret come to UK. Many went to live in the same area as people from their own location back in Ireland.

If you have an address in Liverpool then you can try later censuses to trace other "Irish" in the area through the years. If you can get someone in the 1911 Census all the better as it is most likely to show at least County and possibly towns.

Hope that makes sense.

Alex

[luxor]

It's not easy. You'll probably not find an expert, since your case of Danish database DOB, but no origin, is unique. I'd be wary of the DOB and maybe of the name 'Margaret'. Roman Catholic children got names added in later years. For example; she could have been baptised Mary and became Mary Margaret later? Unlikely maybe, but the lack of a baptism is odd. Most RC baptisms were recorded by 1847.

I'd identify 'Michael' as a probable reliable piece of information, assume that he was Mellon or Mallon, guess that he was married between the start of registrations and around 1850, and be hopeful that he was still alive when the Griffith's Valuation was carried out.

You can easily find all the Michael Mallons and Mellons at the Griffith Valuation from askaboutireland:

http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

There are not many; a lot of the records will be duplicates. Note the parish name for each relevant record. Then find the parishes and trawl through the baptism records around 1847 on the National Library of Ireland website:

https://registers.nli.ie/

Hopefully something will trigger your interest as a 'likely'.