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I am researching the family history of Mary Jane Williams, born? married Ernest Percival Russell in Liverpool 1947, they came to NSW Australia, and their first child was born in Revesby,NSW. in 1950..
Ernest died in 1988 age 66years. Mary Jane died in 2009 no age mentioned, I believe the Williams family was a large family of maybe twelve children, they lived in Bootle,Merseyside Liverpool.
Would there be any way of my tracking this family, or will I have to buy the marriage certificate in the hope of finding some answers? Thank You, Joan

Hi Joan and welcome,

Speculative, but it might be the large Williams family you seek.
A marriage in 1920, Liverpool, 8b 99,

Peter Williams/ Mary E F Patterson

The above Williams/ Patterson combination may have produced the following children,
Patterson being the mothers maiden name

Births Jun 1920
Williams Hannah, Patterson Liverpool 8b 109
Births Mar 1922
Williams Mary J, Patterson Liverpool 8b 88
Births Dec 1922
Williams Joseph, Patterson Liverpool 8b 115
Births Mar 1924
Williams Peter, Patterson Liverpool 8b 172
Births Jun 1925
Williams Bridget P, Patterson Liverpool 8b 34
Births Jun 1927
Williams James, Patterson Liverpool 8b 2
Births Sep 1928
Williams Maggie, Patterson Liverpool 8b 73
Births Jun 1930
Williams Teresa, Patterson Liverpool 8b 24
Births Mar 1933
Williams John C, Patterson Liverpool 8b 58
Births Sep 1934
Williams Agnes, Patterson Liverpool 8b 53

Mary E F Patterson,

Maria Helera Francisca Patterson

Birth Date:
9 Sep 1895
Baptism
17 Sep 1895
St Joseph's, Lancashire, England
Father
Josephi Patterson
Mother
Bridgidae Kelly

Do you have the death certificate of Mary Jane? I ask because I seem to remember that Australian death certificates have far more information on them than English and Welsh ones.

Hello Joan and welcome,
Without knowing Mary Jane's YoB selecting the right birth will be speculative even given the family lore that she came from a large family. There were at least 4 birth registrations of that name between 1920 and 1929.

I think the marriage cert would be a worthwhile investment since it will give you her age and the name/occupation of her father. With luck there could also be the names of sibling witnesses.
Marriages Jun 1947: Russell, Ernest P and Williams, Mary J - Liverpool South 10d 949
The cert will cost £9.25 from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Hi and welcome to the forum.

In addition to the excellent information you have been given above, we have also put together a few suggestions for tracing living people here http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =14&t=8154

If you have confirmed any of the more recent marriages of descendants, it might be useful to check some of those with a similar name on social media websites.

Education Officer wrote:Do you have the death certificate of Mary Jane? I ask because I seem to remember that Australian death certificates have far more information on them than English and Welsh ones.

Hi Hilary, thanks for the reply, and suggestion, I haven't bought the certificate as yet, I have been searching online information first.
The Australian certificates are supposed to have far more information on them, but it's not always the way.
It depended on what info was known, and who filled out the forms. I have been unfortunate enough to purchase several certificates and they had no, or very little personal detail on them. Joan

dickiesam wrote:Hello Joan and welcome,
Without knowing Mary Jane's YoB selecting the right birth will be speculative even given the family lore that she came from a large family. There were at least 4 birth registrations of that name between 1920 and 1929.

I think the marriage cert would be a worthwhile investment since it will give you her age and the name/occupation of her father. With luck there could also be the names of sibling witnesses.
Marriages Jun 1947: Russell, Ernest P and Williams, Mary J - Liverpool South 10d 949
The cert will cost £9.25 from http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

Thank you dickiesam, That was my next step, I just thought I would check out the online available info first. Thanks, Joan

Bertieone wrote:Hi Joan and welcome,

Speculative, but it might be the large Williams family you seek.
A marriage in 1920, Liverpool, 8b 99,

Peter Williams/ Mary E F Patterson

The above Williams/ Patterson combination may have produced the following children,
Patterson being the mothers maiden name

Thank you bertieone, I will follow that up, whilst I wait for a death certificate it seems logical that, should be the next step. Joan

MaryA wrote:Hi and welcome to the forum.

In addition to the excellent information you have been given above, we have also put together a few suggestions for tracing living people here http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =14&t=8154

If you have confirmed any of the more recent marriages of descendants, it might be useful to check some of those with a similar name on social media websites.

Thank you, I will have a look at your suggestions. Joan