Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

William born 1805 Enniskillen Ireland married Helen Green (no marriage found as yet).
4 Children All Baptised St Mary RC Wigan.
Maria 1828 died 1828/1831
Franciscus 1829
Maria/Mary 1831
Catherine 1835.
Cant find the family in 1841 I presume in Wigan.

William's Second marriage 1845 to Susanna Bonney (have all the information for this family)

on the 1851 Census in Millgate Wigan are:

William occupation Shoemaker with second wife Susannah HO107/2195 Millgate are:
Mary age 19
Catherine age 16.

What happened to the 2 girls after 1851 ??

Thanks Margie.

Hmmm there's a shortage of marriages in the Wigan area isn't there?

This is just a note to say to discount the marriage of Catherine to a John Pilkington in 1856 as I believe in 1861 she is 33 years old, and gives Ireland for her birthplace.

Have you considered the following?
RG 9; Piece: 2635; Folio: 38; Page: 28
Burton Road, Little Neston, Cheshire
St Winifrides School House
Cathrine Campbell Unm 26 Sister of Charity Lancaster, Wigan

There are three other Sisters of Charity in the household.

Mary A,

Thank you , what year was the Census where you found Catherine.

Margie

Sorry I missed putting that - 1861.

Thanks Mary A,

Found her, still cant find in 1841 anywhere.

Margie

Hiya Margie, there is a James Campbell bn Ire at Millgate Wigan in 1841 shoemaker 30, wife Frances 30 bn Ire, Mary 9 and Catherine 6 both bn county.
Could be a match??
HO107/523/ Bk 7, folio 19 page 30.

Welcome home Tina and in with a bang as that entry sounds spot on.

Who is given as the mother on the baptisms of the children and do the godparents on the baptism entries give any helpful clues?

Mary A & Tina,

Thank you but I somehow doubt that is the right family.

Education Officer.

All the Baptism Records record Father as William & Mother Helen Green, I only have photo copies, & the Godparents are different for the 4 children.

Thank you Margie

margie wrote: on the 1851 Census in Millgate Wigan are:

William occupation Shoemaker with second wife Susannah HO107/2195 Millgate are:
Mary age 19
Catherine age 16.

Tina wrote:James Campbell bn Ire at Millgate Wigan in 1841 shoemaker 30, wife Frances 30 bn Ire, Mary 9 and Catherine 6 both bn county.

I would have thought there were too many coincidences for this to be dismissed without an investigation. There is always a possibility that an enumerator has made a mistake when either taking the details or copying later. If it were me I would keep an open mind until I could find James and Frances with their children in a later census.

MaryA wrote:I would have thought there were too many coincidences for this to be dismissed without an investigation. There is always a possibility that an enumerator has made a mistake when either taking the details or copying later. If it were me I would keep an open mind until I could find James and Frances with their children in a later census.

Hi Margie,
In addition to the coincidences, as MaryA says there is always a possibility that the fallible enumerator has made an error when transcribing the information from the Household Schedule to what you see on the Census Summary. For instance, a common contraction of William is Wm while James is written Jm. Would be quite easy to misread what the householder had entered on the Schedule.

There's also the possibility that either Helen or Frances could be a middle name. My great-great grandmother, Mary Jane, used Mary on some records and Jane on others.

There is a death recorded on LancsBMD in Wigan for a Frances Campbell, aged 38, in 1843. Age could be different to that recorded on the 1841 census due to the rounding up/down of ages.

Thanks to the following for their help and advice.
Mary A
DS
Karen.

Yes I have tried looking for James & Francis in later Census but found nothing, I hold my hand up, looks like you have all suggested they were wrongly transcribed in 1841.

Margie

Thanks Mary for confident post yesterday re 1841. The two girls to me are the clincher, age and birth places check out and their father's occupation and same address. And to you D.S for explaining about name's being shortened.
Cheers