Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Happy Christmas, everyone!
I've just been looking into the background of my grandmother's siblings again and came across this: her brother, John Arnot Forrest, was born 12 June 1863 but I have 2 baptism records for him.
On 24 June he had a Catholic baptism at St Peter's Priory. The name used was Joannes Harnett (Evidence: Liverpool, England, Catholic Baptisms 1802-1906).
Then on 5th July he was baptised again at St Michael's (Evidence: England and Wales Christening Records 1530-1906).
My question is: why would he have been baptised twice?

I have traced 7 children of my great grandparents (George Forrest and Margaret Elizabeth) and the first 4, born between 1863 and 1872, had Catholic baptisms but only John Arnot appears to have been baptised twice!

As always, any comments would be welcome.

Regards,
Glen

Hi Glen, I've looked at both baptisms, I have no idea why he would be baptised twice!
Unless there was a dispute amongst the parents and one reneged and said okay C of E not R.C?? Or John A was a sick little baby and they got him baptised asap?
I'm sorry not to be of much help with your query.
For the peeps they were at 179 Crown St father shipwright in the 2nd baptism.
Mother's maiden name Fraynor in the first baptism.

Lancs BMD have the marriage at St Michael's in the City
1862 Margaret E Trenor

Sadly there is a death in Free BMD for a John Arnot Forrest W Dby rego
Sept qtr 1864.

Error sent to Anc, their daughter Georgina Vickers transcribed as Eickers in baptism at St Michaels.

Thanks, Tina.

Georgina is my grandmother and I've had problems finding out anything about her mother: Margaret Elizabeth Trenor/Treanor. She was Irish according to one of the censuses and perhaps her accent caused her name to be interpreted in different ways.
It was a fluke that threw up the Catholic baptism for John Arnot as I had always thought the family were CofE and I think my grandmother also had links with her local Methodist Church and the Orange Lodge!
The Catholic baptisms have suggested Margaret Elizabeth's maiden name was more likely to be Trainor/Traynor and 2 of the godparents on the Catholic baptisms were Susan Traynor and Peter Trainor so perhaps this will help me get a bit further.
If you get the chance to make a link between all these Trainors, do let me know! Getting further back on this line has been a stubborn brick wall that has been standing for many years!

Happy Christmas,
Glen

Catholicism was very deeply inbred, especially in some Irish (which the name Traynor suggests), perhaps after a C of E marriage the mother? had assumed the children would be baptised likewise, but the strong faith sometimes insists that even if the husband had given in to where the marriage took place, the children were brought up RC.

Happened to my grandparents, granddad couldn't care less except that he probably wouldn't have gone in an RC church, so they married in a Register Office, but she brought up all the children with a faith that was with them all their lives.

Hi Mary, enjoyed your post. The Orange & the Green!!
Margaret 28 wife of George in 1871 gives her birthplace as Newry Co. Down. It's history has mixed religions, R.C & C of Ire.
Is the death I found any help for John A?
Is John Arnot bn 1816 Scotland d 1899 Lpool George's father by any chance?
Cheers

Thanks, Tina and Mary.
'Living' family members have dominated my attention the last couple of days which is why I have not responded sooner!

Yes, Tina, the death you found does refer to my grandmother's brother but I have not sent for the certificate so I do not know the cause of death.
The mother's name (i.e. my great grandmother) has been written differently on so many different documents (e.g. Trenor, Treanor, Traynor etc) and I'm guessing the Irish accent has caused the confusion. Also, I am struggling to find anything about her father although the name 'Philip' is given on her marriage certificate.

Thanks for your interesting contribution, Mary. I think I'll explore the records a bit further and see if any of the children who were baptised Catholic went on to have Catholic marriages - it is something I had not thought of before, especially as I thought my grandmother had Orange Lodge sympathies - she called her eldest son 'George Wise Morris'!

Do post again if anything else comes to mind.

Regards,
Glen