Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi and welcome to the forum.

We have a few sites and suggestions you may wish to look into for Liverpool Policemen http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... 14&t=13582

Would you please post full details from their marriage certificate and also the details of the earliest census you have them on as this may help give us clues as to where to look.

I'm thinking that you may also have Cheshire ancestors, the name "Cattrell" although slightly different in spelling probably derives from the same, is very common in Cheshire and so easy for people to move from one side of the river to the other.

Is this the census? 1851, Blackburn not Liverpool.

Thoma(s) Platt, 1826
Lodger, Police Constable
HO107; Piece: 2258; Folio: 244; Page: 14

Marriage,

Name:
Thoma Platt, Book keeper

Birth Year:
abt 1828

Age:
26

Marriage Date:
3 Apr 1854
Parish:
Liverpool, St Philip
Spouse's Name:
Catherine Jones
Father's Name:
John Platt Printer
Spouse Father's Name:
William Jones Book Keeper

http://interactive.ancestry.co.uk/2197/ ... turnRecord

I'm a little confused here as to where the addition of the middle name comes from. I would have expected this to be used at marriage.

These would appear to be the christenings of some of the children is that correct. They are all taken from www.lan-opc.org.uk

Baptism: 5 Nov 1855 St Barnabas, Toxteth, Lancashire, England
William Arthur Platt - [Child] of Thomas Platt & Catherine
Abode: 45 Greenland Street
Occupation: Clerk
Baptised by: William Woollam Curate
Register: Baptisms 1841 - 1892, Page 116, Entry 900
Source: LDS Film 2147909


Baptism: 14 Mar 1858 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Elizabeth Maria Platt - [Child] of Thomas Platt & Catherine
Abode: Greenland St.
Occupation: Book Keeper
Baptised by: W. R. Duncan, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1858, Page 187, Entry 1495
Source: LDS Film 1656561


Baptism: 26 Apr 1863 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Florence Ann Jane Platt - [Child] of Thomas Platt & Catherine
Born: 28 Feb 1860
Abode: Canada Dock
Occupation: Book Keeper
Baptised by: J. Wm. Welsh Curate
Register: Baptisms 1862 - 1863, Page 315, Entry 2514
Source: LDS Film 93891


Baptism: 26 Apr 1863 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Lavinia Alice Platt - [Child] of Thomas Platt & Catherine
Born: 10 Feb 1862
Abode: Canada Dock
Occupation: Book Keeper
Baptised by: J. Wm. Welsh Curate
Register: Baptisms 1862 - 1863, Page 315, Entry 2515
Source: LDS Film 93891


Baptism: 3 Sep 1865 St Peter, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Edith Margaret Platt - [Child] of Thomas Platt & Catherine
Born: 6 Aug 1865
Abode: Canada Dock
Occupation: Book Keeper
Baptised by: W. R. Duncan, Curate
Register: Baptisms 1864 - 1865, Page 322, Entry 2569
Source: LDS Film 93892

At marriage both Thomas and Catherine give Greenland Street as their address so these seem to fit the marriage at St Philip's church..

Another question where does the definite date of birth come from?

Trying to find where he was born, to no avail,

1851 census, Brimscoe.

1861, Thos Platts, Brincoe.

RG 9; Piece: 2722; Folio: 120; Page: 53;

Any ideas?

In 1871 the family are at 14 Canada Dock Kirkdale

Catherine Platt wife 36 office keeper born Mold
William A son 15 apprentice in merch office
Elizabeth M daughter 13
Florence daughter 11
Edith daughter 5
Alfred son 3
Herbert (8 mths?)

all children born in Liverpool

Earlier I saw the family in Kirkdale in the 1861 census but can't find it now.

Here,

1861, Thos Platts, Brincoe.

RG 9; Piece: 2722; Folio: 120; Page: 53;

Found them indexed as Platts on Anc*

1861
14 Canada Dock
Thomas Platt 33 porter & office keeper Born Brincoe Lancs
Catherine wife 31 born Mold
William son 5
Elizabeth daughter 3
Jane daughter 1
these 3 children all born Liverpool
Jane Williams niece 3 born Liverpool
Mary Jones sister in law 17 servant born Mold
David Snape cousin 25 boiler maker born Openshaw (I think) Lancashire

David is on the 1851 census with his parents Thomas and Ellen. Ellen gives Brinksway as her place of birth so thinking Brincoe Brinksway I looked for their marriage. A Thomas Snape married Ellne Platt at Deane St Mary on 17 Dec 1832 so could it be that Ellen Platt and John Platt father of Thomas C Platt are siblings?

Done a bit of googling and came up with someone some years ago looking for Brinscoe. The suggestion was made that this could be Brinscall which is between Chorley and Withnell and would be handy for Blackburn to become a copper.

Lancashire Police Records are held at Lancashire Record Office. Their index shows 3 called Thomas Platt one of whom may be the one wanted.

I know from previous experience that the records held at the Lancashire Record Office for policemen working in Lancashire (but not Liverpool) are very good. You should be able to find something useful there for around the Chorley and Blackburn areas.

Some thoughts
The family source of date of birth of Thomas may be incorrect memories can be faulty!

The Cartrell appears to be a later addition possible in America

Lavinia died as a small child her death registration is shown on Ancestry

Thomas is shown as a Police Constable in Blackburn not Liverpool

You keep saying Thomas is a police constable in Liverpool so can you give the reference for that as perhaps we have found the wrong person.

As I posted the father of David Snape married an Ellen Platt who could be Thomas' father's sister.

The suggestion of Brinscall for Brinscoe seemed to me to be a good one. I would concentrate on that area for a possible baptism. It doesn't appear to have been in Chorley as their baptisms are available on lan-opc but Withnell baptisms are not available on line

I would also contact Lancashire Record Office about the Thomas Platts in the Police index.

If you look at the 1851 census for Thomas Platt, he's lodging with another Police Constable at a Police station. The following 4 named are prisoners, so its possible he was in transit with the prisoners and was in the Liverpool force.

I would say it's looking very hopeful Brinscall which I found to be a possible for Brinscoe is 5 miles north east of Chorley town centre. Just a case of finding a suitable baptism in the area. Hopefully the police record will give more information.

Has Thomas been found yet in the 1841 census?