Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

Hi
As I have had so much help from you in the past I thought you may know the answer to this query. I have been searching for my gggrandmothers death and burial for some time. I know she died before 1889 as her younger children were placed in the Workhouse. I have found 2 possible records in Ford Burial Register but the address column is blank. Are the records on line the only ones or is there another book that would give the address.

The only records online are the Burial Registers, the Grave Registers may give an address, but it may be doubtful as that cross reference (on microfiche) is probably taken from the Burials.

Give the details of the two and if I have time tomorrow I might be able to check - no promises as I have a list already.

Thank you so much for a very speedy reply. The two records I am interested in are

21/10/1886 Mary Walsh age 41 Grave 1936
17/10/1888 Mary Walsh age 46 Grave 2516

Please don't worry if you run out of time.

yappie

These are both public graves I have two burials from about this time although the online records don't give a section my alphabetical list for an entire surname has the section as SV.


Blue

Hi Blue
Thank you for your reply. I know from the family I have found they were all in public graves. Its trying to find the right Mary Walsh (sometimes Welsh) as there are so many of them. To my knowledge Mary had her last child in 1885 and the four youngest children were put in the Workhouse late 1889 by one of the older children. The record is noted as "parents dead". I know they spent most of their lives in Wright Street / Kew Street / Dryden Street. This is the time scale I have worked to but who knows they could have just left the family.
yappie

The area is SV, which appears as has been said to be General. The Mary Walsh in 1936 simply gives the information you have with the address part being NONE. The fiche for entry 2516 is sadly missing but I would suspect it says the same.

I've got two complete surname lists (Holland and Brady) for Ford Cemetery/Yew Tree/Ainsdale so if anyone has a grave number without a section letter or letters I can look for a burial around that time and see what section they were using for public grave burials.


Blue

Thank you MaryA for taking the trouble to look at the fiches - you are a STAR. Many thanks also to you Blue70 for your help. I have found the GRO references for the two burials so I am going to toss a coin to see which one I send for.
yappie

Is there no way you could guess who would have registered the death, or where they lived, and ask for it to be a criteria on the certificate.

Hi, I'll email a friend and get back to you about both graves.

Sorry no more info, both public graves with no addresses.

Thank you Tina for trying - very kind of you indeed.
MaryA I cannot begin to make a guess. They had 12 children the first in 1867 through to 1885. The informant could have been any of the 4 elder children or even the father as I only have a possible death for him before 1889 when the 4 youngest were put in the Workhouse, supplied by our Katie some time ago. Thank you once again for your help.
Apologies for delay in replying as I have been helping my young neighbour celebrate her 90th birthday
yappie

Hi Yappie

Do you know what parish they were living in before her death, also what year was she born?

Simone

Hi Simone
Thank you for your interest. They married and all the children were baptised at St Anthonys RC church.
yappie

yappie wrote:
MaryA I cannot begin to make a guess.

It was just a thought, but they do make life difficult

Congratulations to your young neighbour, I hope you all had a great time.

Yay Simone's on the case, she often brings fresh eyes looking in a new direction.

do you know when dad died, what was his name? did he die first?
what date where the children placed in workhouse?

(sorry just noticed you have a possible death for dad)

can you post latest census you have them on?

Hi Simone
Thank you for your offer of help. The reference for the 1881 cencus is RG 11/3599 page 14.
The 4 children were admitted to the Workhouse 31/12/1889 from 4/10 Kew Street by older sister Catherine. 3 went on to Kirkdale School, the little one to a Convent possibly.
The possible death for the Father is Coroners Inquest but some details do not tally such as address.
yappie

is this them?

26 Wright St
RG11; Piece: 3599; Folio: 10; Page: 14
Patrick Walsh 36 b Ireland, dock labourer
Mary Walsh 36 b Ireland
John Walsh 15 all children born Liverpool
Mary Walsh 13
Catherine Walsh 11
Margaret Walsh 9
Patrick Walsh 7
Martin Walsh 5
Ellen Walsh 3
Ann Walsh 2
Michael Walsh 1

interestingly there is a burial 18/7/1884 at Ford cemetery, Mary Walsh age 42 at 18 Wright Street... do you have definite date of birth of last child, the one you say born about 1885.. what is their name?

http://bit.ly/1EcQ3SU

Hi Simone
One I missed as the baptism for Julia at St Anthonys give her birth 20/05/1885 baptised 03/06/1885 at 18 Wright Street Could the Priest have written the wrong year I am now wondering? I think I will go back to the GRO records. Thank you for opening another door.

Off Topic - MaryA There was a pub lunch for 24 YOUNG ladies and I think we did her proud.
yappie