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Another crack at breaching a stone wall.....
Trying to find both the birth of Mary Charles and her first marriage to a ? Wilson. So, eyes down and look in.....

Mary Charles [maiden name], bn Liverpool abt 1820/21, was my g.g.g.mother. She married Francis Murphy [carpenter & shipwright] on 25th April 1841 in the Registry Office. She was a widow and had the name Wilson when she married Francis. There is a double entry in the Register giving both surnames. Her father was Hugh Charles, a carpenter. The marriage cert does not indicate whether Hugh was deceased or not.

Her YoB is fairly consistent from 1841, 1851 and 1861 censuses. Her marriage cert says she is of 'Full age'. However, it is possible her age was rounded down in 1841 and she stuck with it!

The 1841 Census was taken on the 6th of June some weeks after she had married and she is living with Francis' family. She does not appear to have any children from the first marriage.
HO107 - Piece 565 - Book 8 - Folio 10 - Page 12

In 1851 Francis and Mary with their family are here:
Address: 3 Cotter Street, West Derby, Liverpool
HO107 - Piece 2186 - Folio 109 - Page 14.

All help gratefully accepted!

Sorry for negative results, but listing where I've checked, with no results so far
Ancestry marriages and baptisms
Online Parish Clerk
Gibsons - not knowing a first name was a little difficult but male names who died between 1830 and 1841 and vaguely possible are
WILSON Alexander - 13-07-1835 - 27 VII 479 JAM (St James)
Sacred to the memory of Alexander WILSON, Surgeon, Late of Londonderry, who died 13th July 1835 aged 27. Also the body of Mr. Hugh WILSON son of the late James WILSON Esq. of the City of Londonderry who departed this life on the 21st December 1860 in the 61st year of his age. Also Jane WILSON sister of the above who died on the 26th of August 1881 in the 89th year of his (her) age.

WILSON Andrew Rev. - 21-03-1831 - 32 V 119 PSR (Scotch Church, Rodney Street)
Here repose by the side of the Church of which he was six years Minister, the remains of the Rev. Andrew WILSON, M.A. of Dysart. Fifeshire, who died March 21st 1831 aged 32 years. Few have brought to the service of religion talents of a higher order, or could more successfully have pursued the walks of Science or Literature, His great aim, however, was to approve himself a faithful steward of the Mysteries of God, and in the prosecution of it his zeal was unquenchable and he lived, beautifully exemplifying throughout a period of protracted suffering the doctrines he so eloquently enforced. Whose faith follow, considering the end of his conversion. Heb. chap 13th, v. 7th

WILSON Thomas - - - - V 477 WUC (Upper Stanhope Street Weslyan Chapel)
The Burial Place of Thomas WILSON

WILSON John Capt. - 27-12-1830 - 44 VIII 703 Nec (Necropolis, Low Hill Cemetery)
In Memory of Capt. John WILSON of Trippinghame, Scotland, who died Dec 27th 1830 aged 44 years. He was a dutiful son a loving husband, an affectionate parent and a sincere friend, there remaineth a rest for the people of God, His dust and ruins that remain, are precious in our eyes, those ruins shall be built again, and all that dust shall rise

Charles being an unusual surname I thought I'd list the ones from the Directories in case they might be related
1790 Gores
Charles Alice, huckster, 2, Shaw's brow
Charles Edward, cabinetmaker, 18, Bold st. Shop, 11, Wood st.
Charles Wm., officer in the customs, 19, Benn's garden

1825 Baines Street Directory has only a few too
ANSDELL STREET. 12 Charles Robert
FINCH STREET, 35, Norton a. 25 Charles Betty
GRINFIELD STREET, Smithdown lane. Charles Robert

1827 Gores
Charles Hans, master mariner, 37, Sparling street
..........Rachael, 30, Pembroke place
..........Robert, ship chandler, 2, Grinfield street, Edge hill
....................warehouse, 12, Ansdell street

Just a comment about Hans Charles - he died in 1829 aged 54 buried in St Nics
In memory of John GEORGE who departed this life Feby 22nd 1828 aged 86 years. In memory of Capt Hans CHARLES, of the ship “Agnes”, who departed this life May 27th 1829 at Calibar, aged 54 years. Also of John Hans CHARLES, son of the above, aged 8 years and 5 months, died 10th of October 1830

Not found any entries for Hugh Charles.

Hi MaryA. Thank you for that extensive 'trawl'. My thinking was that if Mary Charles is anyway near correct with her age she would probably not have married before 1836 which reduces the time frame. She could of course have married a much older man for him to die soon after marriage and the death would have been between 1836 and 1841.

The father Hugh Charles may have been Welsh since Charles is a fairly common Welsh name, as is Hugh. And Mary may not have actually been born in Liverpool but I haven't found a Welsh baptism either.

There was a Mary Charles born/baptised in Wigan in 1815 who was an illegitimate daughter of Mary Charles no father's name recorded on original image on Ancestry.


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Blue70 wrote:There was a Mary Charles born/baptised in Wigan in 1815 who was an illegitimate daughter of Mary Charles no father's name recorded on original image on Ancestry.
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Thanks for that possible Blue.