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Hi again. I have got the death certificate for Patrick Turkington died 1844 aged 87 years. The informant was a Mary Brown. I know this could be a neighbour/nurse or just someone he knew. The only thing i know is she could not write and made a mark. I have searched the 1841 census for a Mary Brown living in Frederick St Liverpool in case she was a neighbour but no luck. On the off chance i searched for a marriage for Mary Ingram/Ingham before 1844. Mary married Henry Ingram in 1822 and her maiden name was Turkington I can't find either of them on the 1841 census. I found a marriage 14/10/1835 at St Johns Church Mary Ingram to John Brown and she was a widow. It did not give another name for her. As i am a complete novice to Liverpool Library i wondered if anyone could point me in the right direction to search for her maiden? married? name as i'm not sure which Ingram is. Also on the details of the marriage it did not give me any file numbers etc so i am lost.
I also have a Patrick Turkington died 1825 aged 24 years who i suspect is Mary's brother. He lived in Litherland Alley when he died and Mary also lived there. He was a tailor and Henry Ingram/Ingham Mary's husband was also a tailor. Would it be possible to find out how he died from the records.
Any help would be appreciated as i have only been to the library once armed with a name and year of death. I spent all day looking at microfiches of different cemeteries and all i came away with was a headache. I am a bit better informed now but not much.
Thanks
Lin

I am assuming that the 72 year old Patrick Turkington born Ireland, in the Workhouse & Fever Hospital in the 1841 census is your man. It would be worthwhile checking the Workhouse Records, which are held at the Record Office to see if there is any information in his Admission entry so put this on your list.

Civil Registration began only in 1837, when our marriage registers became more informative, unfortunately prior to that the information given on them was quite scarce.

I have found the marriage at St Peter on 28th January, 1822, for Mary Torkinton, Spinster to Henry Ingram, Tailor, witnesses were Ricard Prescott and James Covell, so her maiden name was "Torkinton". She also made her mark so possibly the same person as you have also found.

Unfortunately similarly prior to 1837 there was no formal death registration, if it is possible to find a burial place it might be possible that others are buried in the same grave.

We have tried to put together a list of Burials, Graves and MI's here http://forum.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk ... =14&t=5739, at the dates you are looking at burials were often in church graveyards, so although there is a lot to trawl through the site of The Old Mersey Times, link given in that post, is well worth working your way through, open each page and do an Edit, Search of the page for your name, don't forget variations too.

Mary's second marriage appears to be
Marriage: 14 Oct 1835 St John, Liverpool, Lancashire, England
John Brown - (X), Mariner, Liverpool
Mary Ingram - (X), Widow, Liverpool
Witness: Hannah Fitzgerald, (X); Francis Burns
Married by Banns by: Thos. Stringer Curate
Register: Marriage 1835 - 1837, Page 16, Entry 61
Source: LDS Film 1656197

Again this marriage is before Civil Registration began in 1837 and so no more information will be given that what has been transcribed above.

Hi Mary could i just ask how you found Patrick Turkington on the 1841 census as i have searched everywhere. He was living in Frederick St when he died in 1844. I have also found him in Gores directory 1837 and he was living at N Dock Side. I thought they must of been from Ireland as i cannot find any birth records for Patrick born 1801 or Mary. I did not explain to much about Marys connection as i had already posted quite a bit about them earlier.
Thanks very much for the info although i'm disappointed I can't prove it's her. I think i have found her on the 1841 census and she had more children. If she had some after the registration would her maiden name and previous name be on the birth certificate. I know her maiden name is not Turkington spelt that way on her marriage but Patrick Turkington who died in 1825 lived in Litherland Alley and so did Mary and he was a Tailor and so was Mary's husband. In 1831 a Patrick Turkington was a godfather at the christening of Marys child and it must of been her dad as the younger Patrick died 1825 who i think was her brother. I know you should trust the official certificates but on the 2 daughters one says Ingram and one says Ingham if they could not read and write i don't suppose they corrected them.
On the burial Mary and Henry Ingram lost a child Henry and he was buried 13/4/1825 in St Johns. The younger Patrick Turkington was buried !2/6/1825 also St Johns and the older Patrick was buried there. They all state Papist or Romanist. Mary's children were all baptised 2 or 3 days after they were born so they were catholics as well.
I will look at the Mary i have found in 1841 and if you think it will have all her names on the birth certificate of her children with John Brown i will send for one.

Thanks again
Lin

I didn't put an age in, simply Patrick Turkington and Liverpool in the keyword, the age is out but then that is often the case, particularly in the case of a Workhouse entry.

I'm also thinking that they perhaps came from Ireland, not only the 1841 entry for Patrick, but looking at the other Turkingtons in Liverpool, there appears to be only one family in the 1851 census, at 14 Downe Street, HO107; Piece: 2185; Folio: 248; Page: 79 and as John is also a Tailor, I am assuming they must be connected.
John Turkington Head M 48 Tailor Ireland
Elizabeth Wife 40 Ireland
Samuel Son 16 Liverpool
Francis son 6 Scholar "
Ellen daur 8 " "
Mary " 5 mnths "

If your ancestors behaved themselves and gave the information that they should do then yes one of the children of Mary Brown should state that the mother was Mary Brown LATE Ingram, FORMERLY Turkington. Don't blame me if they didn't play by the rules nothing is certain in genealogy.