Holy Cross area Catholics - Sutton, Joyce, Giblin, Corcoran

[Brugge]

I'm trying to find out where in Ireland my Liverpudlian Irish ancestors lived.

The families (Sutton, Joyce, Giblin, Corcoran and others) lived around the
Holy Cross area - Adlington Street in the 1940s.

I have seen various census records which mention Ireland as the place of birth.

But is there anyway I can fond out where in Ireland the families came from?
Would there be any church records ( a sort of 'membership record')
that might give this? Baptism records give no hint as to the birth
places of the parents.

In particular, I am interested in
John Sutton, born c. 1819 in Ireland, d 2 Jan 1890 Liverpool (married Jane Carr)
his son, John born 1849 in Liverpool, d 29 Aug 1914 Liverpool (marr. to Sarah Joyce)
Also Michael Giblin b abt 1860 Ireland, d 27 Dec 1894 Liverpool.

Can anyone help with some leads/suggestions?

Roger

[MaryA]

Hi and welcome to the forum.

That question is always a difficult one as there are no records for this, the ship was the equivalent of a ferry, just pay your money and come across.

The most informative census is usually the 1911, where they sometimes gave a county in addition to Ireland, not always I know.

My suggestions involve a bit of effort with the marriage indexes etc. By the looks of it you may know a husband and wife's names where the marriage took place in Ireland. The method of searching is the way that we used to have to with English marriages before the advent of computers and databases. Familysearch site has the indexes for Ireland and if you try to calculate the possible marriage date, make a note of all the male names showing up in the index, date, volume and page number and cross reference with the female name to try to match the reference.

Another exercise I have been trying out myself recently is to check as many baptisms as possible - I note you have a few, take notes of the godparents and try to trace these in the census also. If you can find their children's baptisms you may also discover whether your family were godparents to theirs, could be you might discover more relatives. The more connections you discover the more chance there is of somebody giving a more accurate birthplace to give you a clue where to search.

[Brugge]

Thanks, Mary.
Most of the marriages took place in Liverpool
although there was one that happened in Ireland - so I will
follow your suggestions regarding that one.

Best wishes,
Roger

[dickiesam]

Hello Roger and welcome.

In particular, I am interested in
John Sutton, born c. 1819 in Ireland, d 2 Jan 1890 Liverpool (married Jane Carr)
his son, John born 1849 in Liverpool, d 29 Aug 1914 Liverpool (marr. to Sarah Joyce)
Also Michael Giblin b abt 1860 Ireland, d 27 Dec 1894 Liverpool.

Irish Civil BMD Indices did not start until 1864, for earlier events you have to depend on parish records. This is one source although it is a pay-per-view site...
http://www.rootsireland.ie/

May I suggest you post more information that you may have regarding the two John Suttons and Michael Giblin? For instance since you have marriages you may have a father's name and occupation for John Sutton Snr. If you have a marriage cert for Michael Giblin the same info will be there as well. And tell us if you have found them in any England census by posting the summary page reference. This will be along the lines of [for 1861] RG09 - Piece: 3801 - Folio: 51; Page: 32

Re: Deaths Dec 1894: Giblin, Michael [34] - Liverpool 8b 34
Do you know from his death cert if he was married and to whom?

Is this his marriage?
Marriages Dec 1885: Giblin, Michael and Corcoran, Catherine - Liverpool 8b 274. From LancsBMD: Register Office or Registrar Attended.

[MaryA]

Is this his marriage?
Marriages Dec 1885: Giblin, Michael and Corcoran, Catherine - Liverpool 8b 274. From LancsBMD: Register Office or Registrar Attended.

I think it's this one - if it's wrong I will remove the details
Holy Cross, 12 October, 1885
Michael Gibley 16 Adlington Street parents Roger and Bridget Gibley and
Catherine Corcoran 21 Court, 3 House, Marlborough Street parents James and Catherine Corcoran
Witnesses Roger Gibley of 12 Bisham Street and Ann Black of 20 Adlington Street

[Brugge]

Mary/Dickiesam - yes, that is the correct marriage. I have a copy of the green
marriage certificate.

Details as far as I know them are as follows:

===
Roger Giblin was a farmer - possibly the name was Gibley at one time?

===
Michael Giblin
Living at 16 Adlington Street, just prior to marriage.

1891 census (census records transcribed to give Gebben) [RG12/2908 page 18]
49 Smithfield Street, Exchange, Liverpool (a 4 room building)
Michael Giblin, head, married, 30, dock(?) labourer, b Ireland
Catherine Giblin, wife, married, 36, b Liverpool
Michael Giblin, son, single, 5, scholar, b Liverpool
Bridget Giblin, daughter, single, 2, b Liverpool
Catherine Giblin, daughter, single, 1(or 19) month, b Warrington

Michael died 27 Dec 1894 at 31 Smithfield Street, Liverpool.
I have his death certificate.

Buried in public grave, plot BZ1346, in Ford Cemetery, Liverpool on 30.12.1894. 11 others buried in same grave. Address given as 31 Smithfield Street on burial records.

Name: Michael Giblin
Burial Date: 30 Dec 1894
Parish: Ford Cemetery

===
John Sutton
died 02 Jan 1890 Liverpool (Vernon Street) aged 71. I have the certificate.
spouse: Jane Carr (her first married surname was Bellion) - she was born in Liverpool

Possibly born in 1819 - some conflicting dates inferred from different documents over the years.

1861 census [RG9 2577, page 39]
35 Vernon Street, Exchange, Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 9e
Household schedule number: 200
John Sutton, Head, Married, age 45, tailor, b Ireland
Jane Sutton, Wife, Married, age 41, b Liverpool
Mary Sutton, Daughter, unmarried, age 16, b Liverpool
John Sutton, Son, unmarried, age 12, apprentice tailor, b Liverpool
Sarah Sutton, Daughter, unmarried, age 10, scholar, b Liverpool
Jane Sutton, Daughter, unmarried, age 6, scholar, b Liverpool
Thomas Sutton, Son, unmarried, age 4, b Liverpool
Patrick Sutton, Son, unmarried, age 14 months, b Liverpool

1871 census [RG10 3771, page 23 (folio 66?)]
68 Vernon Street, Exchange, Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 108
John Sutton, head, married, 58. tailor, b Ireland
Jane Sutton, wife, married, 53, b Liverpool
Jane Sutton, daughter, single, 17, b Liverpool
Thomas Sutton, son, single, 15, scholar, b Liverpool
Patrick Sutton, son, single, 11, scholar, b Liverpool

1881 census [RG11 3610 page 23 (folio 35?)]
68 Vernon Street, Exchange, Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
John Sutton, head, married, 63, tailor, b Ireland
Jane Sutton, wife, married, 63, tailoress, b Liverpool
Jane Sutton, daughter, single, 27, no occupation, b Liverpool
Patrick Sutton, son, single, 21, coppersmith, b Liverpool

Death:
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1819
Year of Registration: 1890
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 71
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 55
Death due to bronchitis debility.

In January 1890 living at 68 Vernon Street, Exchange, Liverpool.

Interred at Ford Cemetery on 4 January 1890, in public grave, plot SV2871. 8 others are buried in the same plot in the same month, No home address is mentioned in the burial records.

====
John Sutton

3 Apr 1870 (prior to wedding) living at Marlborough Street, Liverpool.

1861 census
35 Vernon Street, Exchange, Liverpool
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Nicholas
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub-registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 9e
Household schedule number: 200
John Sutton, Head, Married, age 45, tailor, b Ireland
Jane Sutton, Wife, Married, age 41, b Liverpool
Mary Sutton, Daughter, unmarried, age 16, b Liverpool
John Sutton, Son, unmarried, age 12, apprentice tailor, b Liverpool
Sarah Sutton, Daughter, unmarried, age 10, scholar, b Liverpool
Jane Sutton, Daughter, unmarried, age 6, scholar, b Liverpool
Thomas Sutton, Son, unmarried, age 4, b Liverpool
Patrick Sutton, Son, unmarried, age 14 months, b Liverpool

Marriage:
Name: Joannen Sutton
Marriage Date: 3 Apr 1870
Parish: Holy Cross
Spouse's Name: Saram Loyce
Father's name: Joannis
Mother's name: Annae Joannae
Spouse Father's Name: Petri Loyce
Spouse Mother's Name: Miriar Loyce

(In fact the spouse's name was Joyce)

1871 census [RG10 3765, page 57]
St Aidens Parish, Liverpool
John Sutton, head, married, age 22, boiler scraper, b Liverpool
Sarah Sutton, wife, married, age 20, b Liverpool
Jane Sutton, daughter, age 7 months, b Liverpool

1881 census [RG11 3611 page 15]
7 Marlborough Street, Liverpool
John Sutton, head, married, age 32, ship scraper, b Liverpool,
Sarah Sutton, wife, married, age 30, b Liverpool
Jane Sutton, daughter, age 10, scholar, b Liverpool
Peter Sutton, son, age 8, scholar, b Liverpool
Sarah Sutton, daughter, age 3, b Liverpool
Mary Sutton, daughter, age 1, b Liverpool


1891 census - (note Sutton was transcribed as Laham) [RG12 2908 page 10]
House 2, Court 4, 32 Marlborough Street, Exchange, Liverpool (3 rooms occupied)
John Sutton, Head, 42, married, ship scraper in harbour. b Liverpool
Sarah Sutton, Wife, 40, married, b Liverpool
Peter Sutton, son, 19, single, shipscraper in harbour, b Liverpool
Sarah Sutton, daughter, 14, single, b Liverpool
Mary Sutton, daughter, 11, single, b Liverpool
John Sutton, son, 6, single, b Liverpool
Thomas Sutton, son, 4, single, b Liverpool
James Sutton , son, 9 months, single, b Liverpool

1901 census [RG13 3413 page 59]
Flat2, 7 Northampton Street, Exchange, Liverpool
John Sutton. Head, married, age 52, ship scraper, born Liverpool
Sarah Sutton, wife, married, age 51, born Liverpool
John Sutton, son, single, age 15, errand boy, born Liverpool
Thomas Sutton, son, single, age 13, born Liverpool
James Sutton, son, single, age 10, born Liverpool

1911 census [
Court 3, 7 Northampton Street, Exchange, Liverpool
John Sutton. Head, married, age 63, ship scraper, born Liverpool - this is odd!!
Sarah Sutton, wife, married, age 51, born Liverpool
Thomas Sutton, son, single, age 23, general dock labourer, born Liverpool
James Sutton, son, single, age 20, born Liverpool
John and Sarah were married for 42 years, had had 9 children of whom 7 were still alive.

Death details - certificate give age on 29 Aug 1914 as only 60.
Name: John Sutton
Estimated birth year: abt 1854
Year of Registration: 1914
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 60
District: Liverpool (1837-1934)
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 92
Cause of death: Arterio-sclerosis. Interred in Ford Cemetery.

I have copies of his death and marriage certificates.

Unfortunately, none of these documents gives much more information
than that the people originated from Ireland.

Many thanks for all your help,

Roger

[dickiesam]

Hi Roger,
This is the only Giblin entry in the Griffiths Valuation 1848-1864.
See http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php for information about the Valuation.

Griffiths Valuation Record Information
Tenant: GIBLIN, ROGER
Landlord: GEORGE FRENCH
Location: Co SLIGO; Barony of COOLAVIN; Union of BOYLE.
Parish: KILCOLMAN; Townland: TAWNYMUCKLAGH; Place Name: TAWNYMUCKLAGH

Publication Details: Page 18; Printing Date: 1858
Act: 15&16; Sheet Number 46; Map Reference: 12

A townland is an ancient Irish land measure of no particular size. It can be from a couple of acres to several hundred acres. The given name usually denotes a geographical feature nearby. For instance my local townland of Barraglan means 'the head or top of the glen'.
You can see Tawnymucklagh here: http://www.celtic-knot-creator.com/town ... ymucklagh/

Thousands of Irish place names were anglicised during the first geographical survey of Ireland. Tawnymucklagh is the anglicised version of the original Irish Thamhnaigh na Muclach. The first word means an 'arable place or field'. Na = of and Muclagh = swine or pigs.

[dickiesam]

http://www.rootsireland.ie/ has a hit for a Michael Giblin baptism with a father named Roger....
Church Baptism: Giblin, Michael - 1857 - Co. Roscommon.
I wouldn't be too concerned about the YoB differing from the estimated YoB in the census. It will cost 25 credits [5 Euro = abt £4.25] to see the full record. I feel it is worth looking at in view of the sole Griffiths entry for Roger Giblin and Kilcolman is actually in County Roscommon as is Boyle.

A baptism search with surname only with a father Roger, 1853 +/- 15 years gave these additional hits...
Church Baptism Giblin Brigid 1852 Co. Roscommon
Church Baptism Giblin Owen 1854 Co. Roscommon
Church Baptism Giblin Catherine 1859 Co. Roscommon
Church Baptism Giblin Roger 1864 Co. Roscommon
Church Baptism Giblin Alice 1866 Co. Roscommon

[dickiesam]

Looking for the marriage of John Sutton Snr to Jane Carr [or Bellion] without success. Can anybody see it?

[MaryA]

Baptisms
Jane Sutton 30 Nov 1853 11 Dec 1853 St Mary's John Sutton, Jane Sutton - Godparents Lawrence and Mary Ann Tierney
Thomas Sutton 25 Feb 1856 9 Mar 1856 St Mary's John Sutton, Jane Carr - Godparents Richard and Alice Louisa Peck
Patrick Sutton 10 Mar 1860 17 Mar 1860 St Mary's John Sutton, Jane Carr - Godparents Patrick and Mary Dogherty

She's fibbing somewhere, either on first marriage or in later censuses
St Nicholas Church, 23 July 1837 - gosh this must have been the first quarter of civil registration!
George Bellion Minor Bachelor Watch Case Polisher Sawney Pope Street Father Nick? Walter Bellion Watch Finisher
Jane Carr Full Spinster Sawney Pope Street, Father John Carr Cooper
He signed, she made her mark
Witnesses Henry Wilcock and Ellener Lea

There is a burial at St Mary's on 27 May 1842 for four month old George Bellion of Addison Street.
Not finding a death for the older George Bellion, mind you I don't see a death entry for baby George either.

I think his father's name was Uriah, in 1851 a 42 year oldl Uriah Bellion, Watchmaker born Liverpool, his wife Sarah 42 born Bath and son Uriah 8, born London were in Spon Street, Coventry.

No death for George .... no marriage for Jane?

[Brugge]

Thanks, Mary.
The 2 George's Jnrs are new to me - neither appeared in the 1841
census.

I am assuming that George Bellion snr died in 1841 - he did not
appear in the 1841 census record [HO 107/557/3 page 18 (folio 13?)]
- is he sired the George Bellion (died May 1842, born abt Jan 1842).

There is a Mary Sutton: Possible birth details:
Name: Mary Sutton
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 20
Page: 989
which agrees with the 1861 census details - but I have not yet found John
Sutton+Jane Sutton(ex Bellion, nee Carr) in the 1851 census.

Roger

[Brugge]

Thanks for the Irish pointers, Dickiesam.
Do we know how complete the old Irish records are - might it
be that my Roger Giblin is elsewhere with the record
not yet digitised (or lost totally)?

Roger

[Brugge]

Uriah Bellion:

Interesting, I had assumed this was the father Uriah:
1851 census
Civil Parish: Everton
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Registration District: West Derby
Sub-registration District: Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 1g
Household Schedule Number: 55
Piece: 2189
Folio: 232
Page Number: 16
Uriah W Bellion, head, widow, aged 70, watch finisher (journeyman), b Liverpool
Mary Doyle 40
Christian Allexander 20
Ann Doyle 14
Elizabeth Benson 8
Mary E Benson 6
James Benson 20
James Doyle 27

He would have been born abt 1781 in this case, as I have
several other children of his born from abt 1800 onwards.
But I may be wrong. Uriah married a Sarah - who died in
March 1832 in Liverpool, according to another contact.

Two Uriah's similar occupation - maybe I have the grandfather
and you have the son? Although my Uriah had a son
Uriah born 24 Oct 1807 in Liverpool, supposedly.


Roger

[dickiesam]

Thanks for the Irish pointers, Dickiesam.
Do we know how complete the old Irish records are - might it
be that my Roger Giblin is elsewhere with the record
not yet digitised (or lost totally)?

Roger

As far as I am aware the Griffiths Valuation is almost the equivalent of a adult-occupier mini-census that took 16 years to complete. Unless you have indications to the contrary I would assume that the Roger Giblin I found in the 1858 publication is the only adult with that name in Ireland up to 1864. If another had been found and 'enumerated' up to 1864 he would have been listed in a later publication and would have been a hit in the search.

With regard to the completeness of old Irish parish records of baptisms, marriages and burials, it has to be assumed that some have been lost in the mists of time due to various factors and we will never have the satisfaction of knowing that all records are available, online or otherwise.

[Blue70]

DS has given you excellent information there about the Giblin family back in Ireland. The RC parish according to Roots Ireland for all those children is Ballaghaderreen (also known as Castlemore and Kilcolman). This RC parish covers two counties; Roscommon and Sligo. As DS said Roots Ireland has the records for this parish with their County Roscommon records but the townland where the family were living according to Griffith's Valuation c1858 was Tawnymucklagh in County Sligo. This Townland is right on the border between Roscommon and Sligo and is on the Sligo side of the county border. So Griffith's Valuation is correct in saying that Roger Giblin was living in Tawnymucklagh, Kilcolman, County Sligo c1858. If you purchase the baptism for Michael Giblin it may identify the townland where the family were living at that time and confirm whether Michael Giblin was born in Sligo or Roscommon. The family appear to have stayed in the same parish but they may have moved to another townland on the Roscommon side of the county border at some time.

Possible death index information for the parents:-

(Father)

Name: Roger Giblin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Death Age: 68
Registration district: Boyle
Volume: 4
Page: 54


(Mother)

Name: Bridget Giblin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891
Death Age: 65
Registration district: Boyle
Volume: 4
Page: 67

or

Name: Bridget Giblin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Date of Registration: 1876
Death Age: 55
Registration district: Boyle
Volume: 9
Page: 68



Blue

[MaryA]

Although my Uriah had a son
Uriah born 24 Oct 1807 in Liverpool, supposedly.

Certainly fits with the family in Coventry in .'51

Great finds in Ireland lads.

[Blue70]

Those Bellions are likely related to mine as they share the same or similar occupation as mine. I've looked at them before but never found a link to mine. My Bellions are as follows:-

1841 Census

(All born Lancs)

Edward Bellion, Clock Maker aged 30 of Cookson Street.
Mary aged 25,
Charles aged 10,
Mary aged 7,
Sarah aged 6,
William aged 4,
Edward aged 2.


1851 Census

Edward Bellion, Clock Maker aged 43 of 58 Greenland Street (born St Helens).
Mary aged 40, (born Liverpool)
Charles aged 20, (born Liverpool)
Sarah aged 17, (born Liverpool)
William aged 15, (born Liverpool)
Edward aged 13, (born Liverpool)
Mary aged 11, (born Liverpool)
Samuel aged 9, (born Liverpool)
John aged 7, (born Liverpool)
George aged 4, (born Liverpool)
Jane aged 3 (born Liverpool).

1861 Census

Edward Bellion, Clockmaker aged 53 of 58 Pitt Street (born St Helens).
Mary aged 50, (born Liverpool)
Alexander aged 21, (born Liverpool)
Samuel aged 20, (born Liverpool)
John aged 15, (born Liverpool)
George aged 12, (born Liverpool)
Jane aged 10 (born Liverpool).


Lots of Bellions in this database:-

http://www.liverpoolmuseums.org.uk/wml/ ... abase.aspx


Blue

[Brugge]

Will I learn anymore if I pay for the transciptions?
(Father)

Name: Roger Giblin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Death Age: 68
Registration district: Boyle
Volume: 4
Page: 54


(Mother)

Name: Bridget Giblin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891
Death Age: 65
Registration district: Boyle
Volume: 4
Page: 67

or

Name: Bridget Giblin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Date of Registration: 1876
Death Age: 55
Registration district: Boyle
Volume: 9
Page: 68



Michael Giblin (aged 28, labourer) married Catherine Corcoran
(aged 28) on 12 Oct 1885 at Holy Cross Church, Liverpool.
His father was Roger Giblin (still living), a farmer,
Her father was James Corcoran, (deceased, labourer).

The Giblins mentioned earlier appear to be the following:


Church Baptism Record
Name: Michael Giblin Date of Birth: 22-May-1857
Date of Baptism: 1-Jan-0
Address: Ng Parish/District: BALLAGHADREEN
Gender: Male County Co. Roscommon
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Roger Giblin Mother: Brigid Horkin
Occupation: Ng
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Bryan Harrington Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Anne Horkin
Notes:
MOTHER;BRIDGET
http://www.rootsireland.ie

Church Baptism Record
Name: Brigid Giblin Date of Birth: 09-Mar-1852
Date of Baptism: 1-Jan-0
Address: Ng Parish/District: BALLAGHADREEN
Gender: Female County Co. Roscommon
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Roger Giblin Mother: Brigid Ng
Occupation: Ng
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: John Sharkett Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Winifred Giblin
Notes:
CHILD;BRIDGET,MOTHER;BRIDGET
http://www.rootsireland.ie

Church Baptism Record
Name: Owen Giblin Date of Birth: 19-Jan-1854
Date of Baptism: 1-Jan-0
Address: Ng Parish/District: BALLAGHADREEN
Gender: Male County Co. Roscommon
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Roger Giblin Mother: Brigid Ng
Occupation: Ng
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Pat McHugh Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Mary Harkan
Notes:
MOTHER;BRIDGET
http://www.rootsireland.ie

Church Baptism Record
Name: Alice Giblin Date of Birth: 17-Aug-1866
Date of Baptism: 1-Jan-0
Address: Lomcloon Parish/District: BALLAGHADREEN
Gender: Female County Co. Roscommon
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Roger Giblin Mother: Brigid Horan
Occupation: Ng
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: John McCan Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Winny Flannary
Notes:
MOTHER;BRIDGET

http://www.rootsireland.ie
Church Baptism Record
Name: Roger Giblin Date of Birth: 19-Jun-1864
Date of Baptism: 1-Jan-0
Address: Ng Parish/District: BALLAGHADREEN
Gender: Male County Co. Roscommon
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Roger Giblin Mother: Brigid Harkin
Occupation: Ng
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: Michael McHugh Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Winny Flanary
Notes:
MOTHER;BRIDGET

http://www.rootsireland.ie
Church Baptism Record
Name: Catherine Giblin Date of Birth: 14-Dec-1859
Date of Baptism: 06-Jan-1860
Address: Ballinagreagh Parish/District: BALLAGHADREEN
Gender: Female County Co. Roscommon
Denomination: Roman Catholic
Father: Roger Giblin Mother: Brigid Horkin
Occupation: Ng
Sponsor 1 /
Informant 1: John McHugh Sponsor 2 /
Informant 2: Catherine Golden
Notes:
MOTHER;BRIDGET
http://www.rootsireland.ie

[dickiesam]

I assume these three facts were extracted from the findmypast website - will I learn anymore if I pay 5 credits for the transciptions?
(Father)
Name: Roger Giblin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1823
Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891
Death Age: 68
Registration district: Boyle
Volume: 4
Page: 54

(Mother)
Name: Bridget Giblin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1891
Death Age: 65
Registration district: Boyle
Volume: 4
Page: 67

or
Name: Bridget Giblin
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Date of Registration: 1876
Death Age: 55
Registration district: Boyle
Volume: 9
Page: 68

Regarding the above BMD transcriptions, I believe they were taken from FamilySearch, but you will not learn anything else unless you purchase a photocopy of the relevant certificate from the Irish GRO at 4 Euro each [abt £3.25] http://www.groireland.ie/

At present you cannot pay online for Irish certs, but there is a box on each application form where you can tick to receive the photocopy by email. Usually takes about 7 days from submitting the form.

It should be noted that the information on death certs is minimal. You may learn the name of the informant and any relationship of the deceased to a spouse.

[Sue H]

I have a Sarah Joyce in my Norah Prendergast tree. I think she is Norah' s aunty. Anne/Honora Joyce being Norah' s mother. They too lived in Arlington street. All baptized in Holy Cross. Would love to offer more but can't get into ancestry at mo. Will update when I can