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Hello
I wonder if some of you kind people could help me. I am trying to research my great grandfather and his family. William Henry Hartley.

I am a little confused I appear to have his baptism but then when I check the various censuses the first one seems to suggest William H Hartley was born in Canada, but every census I can find and his Marriage certificate say he was born in Liverpool, Lancs.

How can I confirm if he was born in Canada or Liverpool?

I can’t find a birth in Canada but then I am fairly new to doing research. I am not experienced in overseas records.

If he was born in Canada, Could he have joined a Canadian regiment in WW1 from here?

He Died in WW1 we don't know when for sure.

I am trying to find out where and when he died in WW1 overwhelmed by the amount of William Henry Hartley’s but did notice one who was killed in Salisbury plain that was a part of a Canadian regiment which is why I ask?

I am including what I already know so you can see where I am coming from.
Thank you for any help and consideration, I am sorry if I am being too cheeky feel free to put me in my place. I am only learning the ropes. Sorry I am so long winded.

Kind regards

Marie Rowan
William Henry Hartley Born 25 April 1887 in Everlaie, Canada

I think William Henry Hartley was baptised at St Peter’s, Liverpool, Lancashire, and On the 9 May 1887 but his birth was 25 April 1887.

This state’s his mother as Alice and father as William Henry Hartley.

Id reference, yr 1886-1887 p 391 film number 93904

Or have I got this wrong?

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On the first census 1891 England Census RG12 / 2948

Parish district Everton, borough Liverpool, Parish St Chrysostom
Schedule 338. Number, 3 Margaret Street.

William H Hartley, Married Head Age 29 Van driver, Born Liverpool, Lancs

Alice Hartley, Married Wife, Age 25, Born Liverpool, Lancs

Robert [? G or E] Hartley, Single, Son, Age 6, Scholar, Born Everlaie, Canada
William H Hartley, Single, Son Age 4, Scholar, Born Everlaie, Canada
Alice Hartley, Single, Daughter, Age 18 months, Scholar, Born Everlaie, Canada
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1901 England Census RG 13 /3485
Civil Parish Everton, Parish Emmanuel, borough Liverpool, schedule 248 the address 35 Morris Street.

William H Hartley, Head, age 39, Carter, Born Lancs., Liverpool

Alice Hartley, Wife, age 34, Born Lancs., Liverpool

Robert Hartley, Son age 16, Born Lancs., Liverpool

William Hartley, Son, age 13, Born Lancs., Liverpool

Alice Hartley, Daughter, age 11, Born Lancs., Liverpool

Florence Hartley, Daughter, age 9, Born Lancs., Liverpool
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On the marriage certificate it contains the following information.
William Henry Hartley aged 21
Married Florence Drury on 29th November 1908, At St Peter’s Church, Everton in The county of Liverpool
Profession is a Carter.
Address 12 McGregor Street,

Father is William Henry Hartley profession is a Porter.


Florence Ada Drury age 21 Spinster address 21 McGregor Street,
Father is George Alfred Drury, Profession Case-maker.

Witnesses are :-

Walter Henry Brookfield [Don’t know relationship]
Gertrude Lilian Drury [Florence Ada Drury’s sister]

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Information on the last Census

Census of England and Wales 1911
number of schedule 214

Signed by Alfred Geo Drury, 57 Creswick Street, South Everton, 5 rooms

Alfred Geo Drury, Head, Age 52, Head, married, Cabinet-maker industry case-making , worker, Born Lancs, Liverpool

Florence Hartley, Age 23,
Daughter, married 3 years, Born Lancs, Liverpool.

Evelyn Drury, Daughter Single, age 30,
General servant, Domestic. Worker, Born Lancs, Liverpool

Emily Drury, Daughter Single Age 18
Book Binder, Worker, Born Lancs, Liverpool

William Hartley, Son-in-law age 24, married 3 years
Hey Carter, Worker, Born Lancs, Liverpool ? {1st census he appears on says Everlaie, Canada everyone after that is Liverpool}
This William is my Great grandfather mentioned above

William Hartley, Grandson, age 17months, Born doesn’t say

This my great Uncle and his brother is Robert Henry Hartley Born 1912 and my grandfather.
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This is everything a huge thank you for taking the time to look even if you can not help me. Have a lovely day Kind regards

Marie

Hi Marie,

the Canadian lad is not yours,

Son of Ann & Joseph Hartley.

http://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casua ... %20VAUGHAN

There are two William Henry Hartleys born in 1887 in the Liverpool area:

Hartley William Henry Toxteth Park 8b 251 March Quarter

Hartley William Henry W. Derby 8b 556 June Quarter

Looking at the 1891 census page, it doesn't say Canada. It would mean each child was born in Canada and brought here for baptism, if Canada was correct. Could be a badly written Everton I suppose.

99% certain it is a poorly written Everton and Lancashire is dittoed down from above, so I would say certainly not Canada.

Good for you giving all that information, so many people provide so little it's like getting blood out of a stone

Van driver/carter/porter all fit together as similar occupations.

I, too, think it looks like 'Everton.' The enumerator hasn't crossed the 't' - compare it to the 'Parliamentary Borough or Division' where he's done the same.

This would make this one the most likely birth:

Hartley William Henry W. Derby 8b 556 June Quarter

Hello, Bert, Karen, MaryA and everyone who read this.

Thank you so much for your help, Really quick as well, I am amazed. I now have some direction, I see now I might have misread the location and even implanted Canada , What am I like, and Everton would make sense. I will have to do a little more work but I can now carry on now where I was stuck and confused. So once again a Huge thank you.

I am glad I put the information even though it was a lot I can not ask for help without giving you information and your efforts showed the benefit so thanks.

Kind regards

Marie

Marie Rowan