Liverpool & South West Lancashire FHS - Forum

I am trying to find a burial record for James Daly born about 1818 Ireland, last track I have of him is 1881 census, lodging with Martin and Catherine Finn, I think she was his daughter.

Has anyone got the Widnes Cemetery records to find out if he is there, also am looking for his wife Judith, sometimes called Julia daly, died before 1881, last record Parr 1871.


Have come acrioss various spellings, Daley/Dayley/Dailey

Ant

Marriage,
Martin Finn, Catherine Daley,
1864, Prescot, 8b 1019

Our society sells a CD of burials at Widnes Cemetery (see the shop section of our website)£7.50

Unfortunately Widnes Cemetery only opened in 1898, so we'd be looking at church graveyards before then. If you have any info on where James was living that may help to narrow the search down. I did a very quick search last night and did find an Honora Daly in the Cemetery records, is this any connection?

Claire
Widnes group

A death in that area would have been registered at Prescot. This is the only one between 1881 and 1891...

Death: DALEY, James
Registration district: Prescot, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1890; Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 62
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 558

His given age at death is at variance with his census ages.That was quite common and often depended on a guesstimate by the informant.

And this is the only match for Julia...
Death: DALY, Julia
Registration district: Prescot, Lancashire
Year of registration: 1881; Quarter of registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at death: 56
Volume no: 8B; Page no: 495

Again the age at death is out but it is the only match including a wildcard search on Ju* and a YoB span of several years.

For the crew...
1871: RG10 Piece: 3865 Folio: 139 Page: 60
Address: 50 Pocket Nook Street, Parr, St Helens, Lancashire
DALY, James Head 56 1815 Chemical labourer - Ireland
DALY, Julia Wife 56 1815 - Ireland
DALY, John Son 17 1854 - Chemical labourer- St Helens, Lancashire

Thanks for the help so far,
Bertione, I didn't find the marriage on BMD but did find it on OPC and that is what lead me to James, though it is a bit odd his is listed as boarder and not father in law.


Education Officer, thanks for the information about the cd.

Claire, Honora is not connected. The only Daleys in Widnes Cemetery I know of are Annie died 1917,Patrick died 1918 and Thomas died 1922 which was looked up for me a few years ago.

Dickiesam, thanks for the death records, looks like Julia must have died not long before the 1881 census, could have been in Widnes too as there is no sign of her in St Helens Cemetery. I am not too concerned about the ages not being correct as the YOB seemed to change form census to census, somehow they both seemed to knock nearly ten years of their ages and prior to 1871 Julia was called Judith.

In 1881 James was with the Finns at 24 Davies St, I only found this and the Finn Daley marriage by accident as was looking up another son, Patrick Dailey who was at 36 Davies St and the John you found in 1871 with James and Julia was at 30 Davies St with his family, so which churchyards would be likely in that area?

antonio111 wrote:In 1881 James was with the Finns at 24 Davies St, I only found this and the Finn Daley marriage by accident as was looking up another son, Patrick Dailey who was at 36 Davies St and the John you found in 1871 with James and Julia was at 30 Davies St with his family, so which churchyards would be likely in that area?

The respective death certificates would provide both a place of death and deceased home address. You would also have the name/relationship and address of the informant. Could be a guide as to the nearest burial ground.

Thanks for that, will send off for them!

There were three churchyards in Widnes before the municipal cemetery was opened in 1898.

St Mary’s in West Bank (CofE)
St Bede’s in Appleton (RC)
St Luke’s in Farnworth (CofE)

Davies Street was in West Bank, so if the person you are researching was CofE then St Mary’s would be most likely. However, this churchyard has now been grassed over so you would not be able to find a headstone (if one had existed). Widnes Library has a book containing the inscriptions that were there prior to the grassing over. The Library also has a copy of the burial register on microfilm for 1858 – 1910.

As the person you are researching was from Ireland he may have been Roman Catholic. If he was, the nearest RC church to West Bank was St Marie’s prior to 1888, when St Patrick’s was opened in West Bank. Neither of these churches had graveyards, any funeral from these churches would in all probability have been followed by burial at St Bede’s cemetery. Widnes Library has a copy of the St Marie burial register on microfilm for Apr 1865 - Jul 1899. To date I have been unable to trace a copy of the burial register for St Patrick’s, neither Cheshire or Lancashire Records Office have one, presumably the original register is with the diocese as St Patrick’s closed in 1997.

Tex T, I do not know whether they were RC or C of E as the children were married in various churches and some though married C of E were practising catholics. I am almost certain whichever cemetery it was there would be no stone as all the burials I have found so far have been in common graves.

I think the first step for me to try and ascertain the religion is to check the baptisms of the children in St Helens and Widnes.