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HI my Grandfather was from West Derby,his name was Robert Lawson Anderson b1912 West Derby,My grandmother was born a Fattorini b1914 in Ormskirk, they married in 1934 in north Liverpool and had 2 children Frank Lorimer and Margaret Loraine. I believe he had a brother Noel Anderson,their parents owned or ran a public house/pub in Aintree in the 1930s,40s or and 50s,either my grandfather or his parents lived at 25 Cornet Road,Aintree.Does anyone remember,can anybody help. I have no information at all about this,a couple of photos and that is it.Thanks

The 1938 Gore's Directory lists a Robert L Anderson, electrician, at 27 Cornett Road, Walton.


On the 1911 Census, there is a Robert Lawson Anderson, telephone electrician, living at 68 Walton Breck Road, Liverpool:

Robert Lawson Anderson/25/Telephone Electrician/born Ripon, Yorkshire
Margaret Anderson/25/born Liverpool, Lancashire
John Lorimer Anderson/2/born Birkenhead, Cheshire

Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration District: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 22500

Possibly your grandfather's parents?

Hi Robby, welcome to the forum...
which way do you want to go? forward or backwards? have you done any research at all?

Your grandfather's parents married in 1907 by the look of it?
Robert Lawson Anderson married Margaret Hunter..
birth of Robert Lawson Anderson 1912 shows mother's maiden name Hunter
the year before your grandfather's birth they were living in Everton, at 68 Walton Breck Road
RG14; Piece: 22500
Robert Lawson Anderson, 25,a telephone engineer, born Ripon Yorkshire
Margaret Anderson 25 b Liverpool
John Lorimer Anderson 2 b Birkenhead

do you have this info already?

Snap... Karen


Simone x

1901 Census... Could be the wrong family but this is the only Robert born in Ripon abt 1886. Can we find his marriage to confirm father's name etc?

RG13 Piece: 3504 Folio: 81 Page: 49
Address: 62 Woodcroft Road, Wavertree, Lancashire
ANDERSON, Robert Head 40 1861 Manager Paint Works - Hartlepool, Durham
ANDERSON, Annie Wife 38 1863 - Ripon, Yorkshire
ANDERSON, Robert Son 15 1886 Cycle Builder - Ripon, Yorkshire
ANDERSON, Charles Son 12 1889 - Ripon, Yorkshire
ANDERSON, Frank Son 11 1890 - Ripon, Yorkshire
ANDERSON, Lily Dtr 10 1891 - Ripon, Yorkshire
ANDERSON, Winifred Dtr 8 1893 - Ripon, Yorkshire [see edit]
ANDERSON, Walter Son 6 1895 - Ripon, Yorkshire
ANDERSON, James Son 4 1897 - Ripon, Yorkshire
ANDERSON, George Son 4 1897 - Ripon, Yorkshire
ANDERSON, Norman Son 1 1900 - Ripon, Yorkshire

Edit to add: This is the only Winifred Anderson bn abt 1893..
Births Mar 1893: Anderson, Elsie Winifred - Ecclesall Bierlow 9c 455
and....
Haven't found a Noel Anderson yet.

Hi and welcome to the forum.

The census also gives a John Lorimer Anderson, his birth in the indexes is Q2 1908 Birkenhead 8a 557. His baptism however, is on Findmypast, if you don't subscribe to it you could get a few credits if you think it might give you some useful information, such as where they were living at the time of his birth and which church they attended.

As their marriage is listed on LancashireBMD in 1907 as being "West Derby, Register Office or Registrar Attended", it would seem that they were likely to be RC. The marriage doesn't show on Ancestry so we can't help with the details, but to confirm the fathers names which you need to progress further back, you can order the marriage certificate online at http://www.gro.gov.uk using the following reference - Q2 1907, W. Derby 8b 856

Robby appears to have a little more information than he gave here, he has since posted on Facebook with a duplicated request as follows, which may be of help:

"HI my Grandfather was from West Derby,his name was Robert Lawson Anderson b1912 West Derby,My grandmother was born a Fattorini b1914 they married in 1934 in north Liverpool and had 2 children Frank Lorimer and Margaret Loraine. I believe he had a brother Noel Anderson,their parents owned or ran a public house/pub in Aintree in the 1930s,40s or and 50s,either my grandfather or his parents lived at 25 Cornet Road,Aintree.Does anyone remember,can anybody help. I have no information at all about this,a couple of photos and that is it.Thanks"

Karen wrote:The 1938 Gore's Directory lists a Robert L Anderson, electrician, at 27 Cornett Road, Walton.


On the 1911 Census, there is a Robert Lawson Anderson, telephone electrician, living at 68 Walton Breck Road, Liverpool:

Robert Lawson Anderson/25/Telephone Electrician/born Ripon, Yorkshire
Margaret Anderson/25/born Liverpool, Lancashire
John Lorimer Anderson/2/born Birkenhead, Cheshire

Registration District Number: 455
Sub-registration District: North Everton
ED, institution, or vessel: 17
Piece: 22500

Possibly your grandfather's parents?

yes quite possibly karen

MaryA wrote:Robby appears to have a little more information than he gave here, he has since posted on Facebook with a duplicated request as follows, which may be of help:

"HI my Grandfather was from West Derby,his name was Robert Lawson Anderson b1912 West Derby,My grandmother was born a Fattorini b1914 they married in 1934 in north Liverpool and had 2 children Frank Lorimer and Margaret Loraine. I believe he had a brother Noel Anderson,their parents owned or ran a public house/pub in Aintree in the 1930s,40s or and 50s,either my grandfather or his parents lived at 25 Cornet Road,Aintree.Does anyone remember,can anybody help. I have no information at all about this,a couple of photos and that is it.Thanks"

sorry MaryA not used to all this forum stuff,just trying to find stuff

Name:
Mary M J Fattorini
Mother's Maiden Name:
Musgrove
Date of Registration:
Apr-May-Jun 1914
Registration District:
Ormskirk
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume:
8b
Page:
1694

England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915
about John Fattorini

Name:
John Fattorini
Spouse Surname:
Musgrove
Date of Registration:
Jan-Feb-Mar 1914
Registration District:
Ormskirk
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume Number:
8b
Page Number:
1108

John Fattorini
Bertha Musgrove

Births Mar 1892

Musgrove Bertha Ormskirk 8b 771

Odd, was Bertha widowed or Divorced?


Marriages Dec 1934

Fattorini Bertha Priestley Southport 8b 1567
Kenyon Edward J Kearns Prescot 8b 1567
Madden Lily M Teare Southport 8b 1567
Musgrove Bertha Priestley Southport 8b 1567
Priestley Harry A Fattorine Southport 8b 1567
Priestley Harry A Musgrove Southport 8b 1567
Teare Frank Madden Southport 8b 1567

The Fattorini's lived in Southport

Father John was born York about 1844.
In 1891 he is a widower living at 30 Union Street a watchmaker

He then married Susan and by 1901 had John Jessie and Gertrude and was living at 16 Union Street

Ten years later the family is at 18 Union St

More to follow.

Bertieone wrote:Odd, was Bertha widowed or Divorced?
Marriages Dec 1934

Fattorini Bertha Priestley Southport 8b 1567
Kenyon Edward J Kearns Prescot 8b 1567
Madden Lily M Teare Southport 8b 1567
Musgrove Bertha Priestley Southport 8b 1567
Priestley Harry A Fattorine Southport 8b 1567
Priestley Harry A Musgrove Southport 8b 1567
Teare Frank Madden Southport 8b 1567

Actual GRO Index entry reads Fattorine or Musgrove for spouse name. Usually denotes a spouse was divorced. Never seen it used for a widowed spouse. Confusingly, FreeBMD transcribes this as two distinct entries whereas the GRO Index only has a single entry.

John the OP's great great grandfather married Susan Bethell in 1892

They had John Arthur in 1893 this is the OP's great grandfather

Jessie Emma in 1896

Gertrude Mary in 1899

John great grandfather married Bertha Musgrove and they had Mary Millicent in 1914 and John in 1915

Jessie E married Thomas E Lawlor

With the address being Union Street I would imagine marriages and baptisms could have been at St Marie of the Sands Southport. Their registers are on film at Sefton Local History at Crosby Library.

Bertha's husband,


Name:
John Arthur Wilfred Bethel Fattorini
Probate Date:
18 Oct 1957
Death Date:
9 Sep 1957
Death Place:
Lancashire, England
Registry:
Liverpool, England

A divorce must have happened,
the above probate, Catherine Buchan Fattorini, widow.

Checked National Archives, but didn't find details of a divorce, however the name Fattorini threw up a number of entries that might be of interest to Robby, Medal Cards, Seamen's Records, Flying Corps records etc. another place for him to look.

John married Catherine B Mackenzie in 1934 looks like a divorce to me

Name:
Catherine B McKenzie

Spouse Surname:
Fattorine
Date of Registration:
Oct-Nov-Dec 1934
Registration District:
Southport
Inferred County:
Lancashire
Volume Number:
8b
Page Number:
1566

Bertieone wrote:Odd, was Bertha widowed or Divorced?

she was Divorced